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Igbinoghene is a stud....

BigNastyFish said:
Noah is the type of athlete/player that once he "gets it" and masters the position he'll be dominant.

That's my hope at least. Kid is still super young and obviously a personal project of Flo's.

I definitely like the results Flo achieved with Needham (who he targeted UDFA around R5).

I fully expect the R1 invested in Noah to pay dividends. For now folks need to back off

and allow the developmental process to get results. We should see some notable upside later

in this season and by next year the "stud" hopefully emerges!
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I don't share your take. In man press situation, for CB position, of cause there are techniques involves, however it mostly to do with talent and instinct. Something that it cannot coach up. I don't share your optimism.
 
Dan13Forever said:
I don't share your take. In man press situation, for CB position, of cause there are techniques involves, however it mostly to do with talent and instinct. Something that it cannot coach up. I don't share your optimism.
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Right. Your negativity is consistent if nothing else.

I don't think you know what you're talking about when it comes to the fundamentals and techniques

Flo and Co. teach and expect. You completely over-simply -- I assume to support your degrading of the player.

Most of us realize CB is a VERY difficult position to master and we also realize Noah is a kid with very limited

experience in college and super young / green. Like it or not, he was drafted based on his developmental upside

and is still in the obvious process of ramping up. None of us can predict with certainty the outcome so we'll see

with more time. In the interim, as a fan who supports the TEAM, I'd rather be optimistic than negative.
 
BigNastyFish said:
Flo and Co. teach and expect. You completely over-simply -- I assume to support your degrading of the player.


with more time. In the interim, as a fan who supports the TEAM, I'd rather be optimistic than negative.
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Every one here support the dolphins. Everyone have their own way of supporting the team. How you support the team is your business. How I support my team is my own business. Don't tell anyone your way is the only way. You came off rather childish.

I guard myself against optimist or pesstimist. The pick was a head scratcher from the getgo. So far, there is no evidence to prove otherwise. Until Noah shows up and ball, he is a failure.
 
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Dan13Forever said:
Dead wrong. X was fine year one. Do not write fiction.
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He was OK for a rook, but let's not pretend it wasn't until year three that he became a top level corner.

He has always had a "nose" for the ball, but he also got beat regularly early on in man coverage, and was not always assignment sound in zone.

I'm not knocking him at all. He has worked extremely hard, both in the film room as well as in technique, to hone his craft.
 
I believe in time, there is a good chance he will be, but the improvements need to continue with consistency.

One good game in pre-season is still a long way to where he will need to be to prove to everyone who he could be....Hard work will do that.
 
Sirspud said:
Yeah I get it, it's just at best case with Byron Jones you're gonna hold down the opponent. With a guy like X, you are basically turning your defense into a scoring machine. And I see the difference in players in X and Byron Jones like this:

When you're facing a top QB at the end of a game, trying to keep them scoring to seal the game, they know they have to do whatever it takes to make a play and they are gonna challenge coverage if needed. And a guy like Jones succeeds because he covers well, and in normal circumstances QB's just aren't going to challenge coverage that much. But when coverage is challenged at the end of the game, guys who can't play the ball in the air aren't good at stopping that late game surge. And it's especially a problem when that guy is placed on a top flight receiver who happens to be very, very good at beating DB's for the ball.

I know INT's aren't the end all, be-all. Guys like Revis, Asomugha, and Sherman weren't considered the top guy because they intercepted more passes than others. Its because their coverage was impeccable to the point they were rarely ever thrown against. But the difference between a guy like Jones and Sherman (and the others), is that those guys could make you pay if you did challenge them. We all remember "don't you try me with a sorry....receiver like Crabtree" when Sherman was challenged at the end of the NFC championship and showed why that was a bad idea.

There were QB's that just pretty much ignored Byron's coverage last year - one was Kyler Murray who just threw past him and literally threw the ball right between his hands. X isn't as consistent in coverage, but there really isn't a time that a QB sees him in place and still tries to get it past him - at least not one who didn't pay for it.
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As evidenced by this crazy stat - when going deep on X last year QBs completed 2 balls. They also had 3 picked.
 
Mach2 said:
He was OK for a rook, but let's not pretend it wasn't until year three that he became a top level corner.

He has always had a "nose" for the ball, but he also got beat regularly early on in man coverage, and was not always assignment sound in zone.

I'm not knocking him at all. He has worked extremely hard, both in the film room as well as in technique, to hone his craft.
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X did win the starting job as a rookie, beating out Alton Verner (respected veteran) for the job, played about 5-6 game and got hurt. When he came back, Gase decided to start him for the playoff game at Pitt and that’s when he recorded his first INT. Year 2 he had 4 picks and was the best corner on the team. Year 3 he became a top flight CB. IMO he was way ahead of Iggy at the same points in time.
 
Mach2 said:
He was OK for a rook, but let's not pretend it wasn't until year three that he became a top level corner.

He has always had a "nose" for the ball, but he also got beat regularly early on in man coverage, and was not always assignment sound in zone.

I'm not knocking him at all. He has worked extremely hard, both in the film room as well as in technique, to hone his craft.
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Year one X was not a finished product, but you can see his ability. The poster wanted to draw parallel between X year one and Noah year one. That doesn't work
 
Dan13Forever said:
Year one X was not a finished product, but you can see his ability. The poster wanted to draw parallel between X year one and Noah year one. That doesn't work
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Given Iggy's age/experience at the position, I wouldn't expect otherwise.

I think that's where he gets a bad rap from some fans.

If you have the opinion that it was a reach, or a "luxury" pick, I can understand that line of thought, but your beef is with the organization (in this case, probably Flo), not the player.
 
Mach2 said:
Given Iggy's age/experience at the position, I wouldn't expect otherwise.

I think that's where he gets a bad rap from some fans.

If you have the opinion that it was a reach, or a "luxury" pick, I can understand that line of thought, but your beef is with the organization (in this case, probably Flo), not the player.
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The way you put it, i agree to certain degree. It is not the kid's fault he was drafted first round.
However, if he drafted late round, given his performance so far, he has very little chance making the team. So my beef is, if you take the drafted position out of the equation, I rather keep other bubble players who is showing me more, but many wants to give him time.
 
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