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One of the things with Marino that doesn't get talked about that much is how 'quick' his feet were. It's widely reported that he had masterful footwork in the pocket, but it always stood out to me just how damn quick his feet were and the connection between the timing of his feet and the timing of the arm is something I haven't seen since.
 
a QB can make a mediocre OL look like a good one and a bad one look mediocre- see Russell Wilson and Seattle.

I know, that's why I said as long as the QB is able to get the ball off in a respectable time. Marino was as good as there ever was.
 
Look at this clip of a Marino touchdown against the Chiefs in the 1994 playoffs:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8rWSqBnZBB0

Thats the impact a QB can have on his own sack total.

Thats the move right there. Totally fakes that dude out and buys just enough time to backpedal and find the open man for a TD. We know who wouldve taken a sack there and the OL wouldve caught grief for it.

For Marino, it was a combination of outstanding footwork and that lightning quick release as Junc said. He also had an incredible sense of pressure when standing in the pocket. He had a move to avoid free rushers from any side, even his backside. He would sense it somehow and make a subtle move similar to the one he put on the guy in that video, step UP into the pocket, and buy just enough time to find an open guy. He knew that once he made that move he has to get rid of the ball on the next step. You arent going to catch Marino just standing there like a sitting duck, ala some other QB.

Someone mentioned Roethlisberger........ he takes a TON of sacks and is not comparable to Marino. Roethlisberger takes all kinds of hits. The reason he winds up buying time on occasion and hitting big plays out of situations where he has held the ball for 4 or 5 seconds is that he is so tough to bring down with that massive frame of his. So while he does wind up taking too many sacks, he also will get into situations where his receivers have had so long to get open, that no CB can be expected to cover them. He makes a lot of big plays that way, so you dont mind the extra sacks so much.

Finally, people bring up the "pro bowl" linemen Marino had........ listen, take nothing away from Webb and Sims, but facts are facts. The fact is those 2 guys made so many pro bowls because people looked at their sack numbers and penciled them in. Im not saying they werent great players, but they had a huge advantage in the fact that the QB behind them was the toughest in the league to sack because of his pocket presence, footwork, and quick release. Marino was almost never sacked by a lone free rusher. To sack Marino, it typically took 2 guys coming free.
 
Dan Marino led the league in sack rate (lowest in league) 10 times including 7 straight seasons. Does the qb have anything to do with sacks??

Of course, but even the greatest of all time had seasons where his sack total was 2 or 3 or 4 times higher (1988 - 6 sacks, 1991 - 27 sacks). Why? Because the OL, receivers, running game, and play calling all matter too.
 
as a football fan and former QB in my youth I loved Dan, as a Jet fan I hated Dan. It kind of sucks that 2 of my favorite QBs to watch played on Jets rivals- Marino w/ Miami and Brady in NE. I despise them both for what they did(continue to do in Brady's case) to my team but I love watching the way they play/played the position.

How did you ever get over the fact that the Jets passed on Marino? The O'Brien pick wasn't as bad as the Blackledge or Eason picks but has to sting, still.
 
How did you ever get over the fact that the Jets passed on Marino? The O'Brien pick wasn't as bad as the Blackledge or Eason picks but has to sting, still.

of course but I don't think even Dan would won a SB here so that's the only positive. we had a few good teams but our D was ravaged in '86 and no one was beating Chi in '85. We probably make a SB in '85 w/ Dan.

and to think the Jets picked two spots before us and selected Ken OBrien....
:lol:

Ken was 8-7 as a Jets starting QB against Miami.
 
It's crazy watching those videos of Marino. I mean, I remember how fantastic he was--greatest of all times. But then to go back and see it you are still amazed. His vision is the best I've ever seen. He knows exactly where every WR and DB is and will be throughout the entire play. He simply didn't miss when a WR was coming open. His downfield vision was ridiculously good. His peripheral vision was awesome too, as he always managed to just ease away enough from the rush to remain out of their grasp, stepping up at the exact right time, effortlessly gliding around in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield ... it's uncanny.

His mind does instantaneous calculations of exactly of every player's position, speed, angle and he knew exactly where to throw the ball to go just beyond the outstretched arms of the DB into a tiny window where his receiver could catch it. Then he delivered a perfectly weighted and lofted pass to hit every receiver in stride. It makes you laugh watching it, because those poor DB's never stood a chance. The only questions were whether the OL could keep the rush off him and whether the receiver was going to drop the ball ... otherwise it was unstoppable.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had a cannon for an arm, excellent touch on finesse passes, and the quickest release in the history of the NFL. We know all that. He also consistently threaded the needle to deliver dazzling play after play after play. These are givens. He retired with all the meaningful passing records in the NFL, yards, TD's, TD's in a season, completions, 4th quarter comebacks, etc., etc., etc. It's clear, there never will be another like Dan Marino.
 
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