gofins60
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IMO, this is as much to blame for the offensive struggles as the o-line injuries. Getting some better o-linemen and a better playcaller would greatly improve the offensive production.
Interesting thoughts and stats on Miami's offense
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It’s the situational stuff that’s glaring.
Miami passed the ball on 3rd & short more than any other team. We also were one of the worst at converting 3rd and short.
Thats not a coincidence… is it?
No, and I agree there were times when the wise move would have been running.
I think it also had to do with McDs lack of confidence in the Oline against heavy boxes.
Early in the year when we had a relatively healthy Offensive line, we could run pretty much at will.That also opened up the pass and having two healthy speedsters was deadly. When Wynn went down our fortunes turned and this was without a healthy Armstead. IMO, we need a center and LG in this draft, yea a running back would be nice but McD wants play making backs not thumper's. Fix the line and you fix a multitude of ills, TOP, 3rd down, and offensive predictability. That helps the D play and will be more conducive to a late season run.
All this can be true as well as Tua played like dog vomit the last month of the season.
You can't put all the blame on Tua but he is taking part of it. As he should.
Our problems on offense are unfortunately multiple.
Coach calls the game oddly at times, stuck going to same plays even after defenses have caught up to them. Did not commit to the run enough at the proper times and against the proper teams. Going into the Chiefs game in Germany I was pounding the table to run the ball, that's how you beat KC's defense this year, their pass D is top notch. So we come out and throw throw throw, 3rd and 10 or 15 pretty much the whole first half. We started to make it close in the 2nd half because why, well we started to run the ball and were quite successful. Anyway, coach needs to get out of his own way a little bit, whether that's personal growth, a new play caller or whatnot. An offense with Hill/Waddle should not be limited to intermediate/deep passes and or the behind the line of scrimmage screen pass. Where are the backs in the flats for starters? Those Achane/Mostert guys were pretty hard to take down in space, why on earth were we not going to them in the short passing game hardly ever?
May have a QB issue. Some think Tua's skills are elite, that he's elite, some think he stinks and will never take a team far. I think the truth is in the middle. Tua does some nice things, the quick pass accuracy stuff is nice, great catchable deep ball. But whatever the exact reasons are he just doesn't seem to get the job done against better competition, he struggles down the stretch in seasons as defenses figure us out and bottom line we just don't move the ball consistently and score points. When NE was rolling, they were 27 to 34 points a game, very consistent. We are able to do that against the lesser teams in the league but only managed a paltry 16/17 points a game against good teams/defenses. Is it all Tua, no, but he's a part of the puzzle. 2nd/3rd reads, mobility, injuries, I'm not sure exactly what the issue is but he has to improve.
No real TE threat.
No WR seemingly worth a darn beyond Hill/Waddle.
An old and injured offensive line particularly at center, LG and LT. One of our good lineman is a free agent that will either leave or cost a lot against the cap.
This is a lot to address just on the offensive side of the ball and in a year we have limited high draft picks (2) and no money to spend in FA. I don't see the roster being better in 2024 than it was last year so think we are realistically looking at 2025 to really contend, if even then. Think this year we focus on offense, have to build around Tua/Hill/Waddle and Achane/Mostert. 3rd WR, lineman, TE, have to hit hard on offense and play patchwork on defense this year. Then in 2025 we will have a lot of picks and more money to pursue a few key FA's. Think they need to get this offense right first and foremost, with the skill talent it just needs to be much more productive or this team's not going anywhere. Get the offense right and can focus all resources on defense in 2025 to try and make a run.
Coach calls the game oddly at times, stuck going to same plays even after defenses have caught up to them. Did not commit to the run enough at the proper times and against the proper teams. Going into the Chiefs game in Germany I was pounding the table to run the ball, that's how you beat KC's defense this year, their pass D is top notch. So we come out and throw throw throw, 3rd and 10 or 15 pretty much the whole first half. We started to make it close in the 2nd half because why, well we started to run the ball and were quite successful. Anyway, coach needs to get out of his own way a little bit, whether that's personal growth, a new play caller or whatnot. An offense with Hill/Waddle should not be limited to intermediate/deep passes and or the behind the line of scrimmage screen pass. Where are the backs in the flats for starters? Those Achane/Mostert guys were pretty hard to take down in space, why on earth were we not going to them in the short passing game hardly ever?
May have a QB issue. Some think Tua's skills are elite, that he's elite, some think he stinks and will never take a team far. I think the truth is in the middle. Tua does some nice things, the quick pass accuracy stuff is nice, great catchable deep ball. But whatever the exact reasons are he just doesn't seem to get the job done against better competition, he struggles down the stretch in seasons as defenses figure us out and bottom line we just don't move the ball consistently and score points. When NE was rolling, they were 27 to 34 points a game, very consistent. We are able to do that against the lesser teams in the league but only managed a paltry 16/17 points a game against good teams/defenses. Is it all Tua, no, but he's a part of the puzzle. 2nd/3rd reads, mobility, injuries, I'm not sure exactly what the issue is but he has to improve.
No real TE threat.
No WR seemingly worth a darn beyond Hill/Waddle.
An old and injured offensive line particularly at center, LG and LT. One of our good lineman is a free agent that will either leave or cost a lot against the cap.
This is a lot to address just on the offensive side of the ball and in a year we have limited high draft picks (2) and no money to spend in FA. I don't see the roster being better in 2024 than it was last year so think we are realistically looking at 2025 to really contend, if even then. Think this year we focus on offense, have to build around Tua/Hill/Waddle and Achane/Mostert. 3rd WR, lineman, TE, have to hit hard on offense and play patchwork on defense this year. Then in 2025 we will have a lot of picks and more money to pursue a few key FA's. Think they need to get this offense right first and foremost, with the skill talent it just needs to be much more productive or this team's not going anywhere. Get the offense right and can focus all resources on defense in 2025 to try and make a run.
Tua had his part, definitely......but the play calling was absolutely pathetic. I mean passing plays on 3rd and short in -27 degree weather? That is just an example. This team was beat to hell the last few games of the season.
The Titans game ended up being a huge loss that cost us the East. That game was lost because McDaniel refused to run the ball in the red zone early that left a lot of points off the board, and a D that gave up 13 points with 4 minutes to go. A QB can only do so much. He needs help, like most QBs and he didn't get it period.
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Haven't read the full 3 pages, but want to add this. In the early part of the season Waddle and Tyreek were at their fastest. Then the nagging injuries happened. Both were gimpy. For this offense to be running on all cylinders, those two have to be at top speed. That's the advantage we have with those two that McDaniels offense tries to capitalize on. It's easier to play man to man when they aren't at top speed.
This is why finding a Dynamic receiving TE that can block could do wonders for Miami's offense. Is a coincidence the two teams in the SB happen to have talented TEs? Is it a coincidence that the Chiefs lost one of the most dangerous WRs in Football to us, yet they're still dangerous with average receivers on Offense.
Another receiving weapon can help Tua drastically with allowing him to find a quick target when things fall apart, or a weapon when the elite receivers are getting all the attention, giving us a dangerous seam TE to get chunk yardage from another weapon.
On top of everything, the TE can also stay back, and give Tua an extra blocker, for that crucial extra second to make a play to one of the Receivers.
I know it's easier said then done. Just because on paper it seems a certain TE will be dynamic, or at least a quality pick, does not mean it will happen, but it could happen with any position, but at least with TE, it helps the offense in many ways if it works out.
Also not saying force a pick, if when we pick there is a much better player at another position then TE we need, then TE has to wait, but if the difference is not much, or on the TE side, pull the trigger.
I believe Miami in the draft needs to at least come out with an O-Linemen and TE that can help Miami's offense be more consistent.
Rowdy1972
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All for getting a better oline, but I not sure it helps Tua like we all think. I think sure it will help incrementally but I don't think it cures our woes. When Tua doesn't get the ball out quick he freaks the hell out. You can see it on TV. You can literally see him think "oh ****". When he gets the opportunity to hold onto it longer, it goes to ****. When other QBs have amble time to throw, it usually ends in a positive play. Not with Tua. Tua is not a standard drop back QB so even with an improved oline, lets not make him one. I think the threat of run helps us more with Tua. So maybe having maulers in the run game instead of dancing bears in pass protection would benefit this team more. Tua limits bad pass protection with his quick release and anticipation.
Think we are probably a lock for a LT in round 1 this year and then go from there, maybe a TE in round 2 and try to address 3rd WR and further lineman on the cheap in FA or with our later picks. Trade down would be great but don't see how we aren't going tackle with our first pick unless a real value falls at another position.
Miami lacks a third down specialist. In the past Marino relied upon guys like Jim Jensen and OJ McDuffie who were money players on third down. Polite is another guy that comes to mind as a third down specialist. I'm sure there are others, but as of now, McDaniel's team doesn't have that player.
The reliance on Hill and Waddle hurt Miami in the last part of the season. Until Miami finds that balance between utilizing Hill and Waddle with a consistent underneath passing option or options and a short yardage guy, I'm nervous it'll be more of the same.
The reliance on Hill and Waddle hurt Miami in the last part of the season. Until Miami finds that balance between utilizing Hill and Waddle with a consistent underneath passing option or options and a short yardage guy, I'm nervous it'll be more of the same.
Michigan Mike
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And why do you think that is? Do you think the Fins converted 3rd and shorts better when running?
They were 10/18 running the ball, with 3.6 yards per run
They were 24/38 passing the ball, with 9 yards per passing attempts(2nd in the league)
Tell me why you think running more in those situations would've been a better idea...