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Is Brown's Value Diminishing?

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Is Ronnie Brown's Value to the Dolphins for the 2005 season diminishing? It appears that the longer he holds out the more he misses and does NOT learn in camp. Here's the point: SOMEONE has to be the primary running back for the first 4 weeks of the season while Ricky serves his suspension. So, what if both sides dig in their heels and Brown doesn't report until shortly before the first game? What kind of impact will that have on the team? What if it causes the Dolphins to miss the playoffs by ONE game because they had to run a more "Vanilla" offense than we wanted to because Brown didn't know more of the offense? $3M may not seem like much in NFL terms; BUT there is a cap implication. The cap is the cap. Giving Brown the extra $3M would have ramifications down the road in hampering to whatever degree getting player(s) for the team. Saban said in his press conference that the Dolphins are weighing the "Value" of every position. How many of you Dolphins Fans are THAT confident in Brown to give him $22M in GUARANTEED money without ever seeing how he can perform agains NFL competition?

I'm sure that's why the Draft is such a paradox now. If a team has a top 10 pick, you know you are going to have to pay him HUGE $$$ with no relative guarantees of a successful pick. Could Saban have wanted to trade the number 2 pick for other reasons that just to try to get more picks. As you all have seen, the back half of the 1st round have basically all signed and are in camps. So, is the 1st season for a top 10 pick bsically a waste? Maybe more so on offense than defense since defense is more instintive.

Bottom Line: There are some tough games on our schedule the first 4 weeks of the season. How the dolphins play in those first 4 games could very well set the tone for the rest of the 2005 season. So, if the 2005 season is lost because our #1 pick doesn't know the offense, misses a blitz pick up and get the QB injured, runs the wrong route and causes a Pick-6 and we lose. How would you all feel about that?

As you can see, it's not so simple as "Just give him the $$$ & get him in here"

Please weigh in on this issue.
 
No, his value is not diminishing.

As soon as he signs and scores that first TD no one will even remember this. It's an annual thing in the NFL for rookies to hold out.

Edgerrin James and Ladanian Tomlinson held out for extended periods of time, longer than what Ronnie has so far, and look at what they did their rookie seasons.

Their value certainly didn't diminish.
 
I was reading an article on ESPN.com before. Trent Dilfer said holding out 12 days into camp was the biggest regret of his life. He said he wishes he could turn back time and he would willingly have taken the 2 million dollar paycut in order to get into camp on time and it hung over his career.
 
no, he still has the same value.

One good thing is that no matter what happens, Ronnie's got a bette attitude than Benson! Ronnie has kept his mouth shut (good or bad) and let his agent do the talking (once again good or bad). Benson however has said himself, he's willing to wait longer. He didn't say how long but his coach is pissed about it. At least Saban so far "says" he understands and I think that's because Brown has outstanding character. But that's just my opinion.

Speaking of my opinions...As for France asking for 23 mill and us offering 19 (those are all #s that noone within the organisation or Browns camp have stated, they are #s reported by websites), I say we bump it up to 20 and leave it at that. Another week of being away with 20 mill on the table and I'll wager Brown sits down and talks to his agent and tells him he's taking it. IMO.

But I've said since TC started that it'd be THIS Friday when he signed. I still say it'll be later today. We'll see.
 
HysterikiLL said:
I was reading an article on ESPN.com before. Trent Dilfer said holding out 12 days into camp was the biggest regret of his life. He said he wishes he could turn back time and he would willingly have taken the 2 million dollar paycut in order to get into camp on time and it hung over his career.
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I read that same article and I will post it and hope that Ronnie Brown and his agent read it and come to their senses and do what's best for Ronnie and the Miami Dolphins football team. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2124291
 
zephon said:
no, he still has the same value.

One good thing is that no matter what happens, Ronnie's got a bette attitude than Benson! Ronnie has kept his mouth shut (good or bad) and let his agent do the talking (once again good or bad). Benson however has said himself, he's willing to wait longer. He didn't say how long but his coach is pissed about it. At least Saban so far "says" he understands and I think that's because Brown has outstanding character. But that's just my opinion.

Speaking of my opinions...As for France asking for 23 mill and us offering 19 (those are all #s that noone within the organisation or Browns camp have stated, they are #s reported by websites), I say we bump it up to 20 and leave it at that. Another week of being away with 20 mill on the table and I'll wager Brown sits down and talks to his agent and tells him he's taking it. IMO.

But I've said since TC started that it'd be THIS Friday when he signed. I still say it'll be later today. We'll see.
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I hope you are correct, that would be sweet to come home later and find five hundred posts about his signing. BTW, when is that Tokyo game?
 
you know, one thing I forgot to mention,

I'm sure part of the discussion is also whether it's 5, 6 or even 7 years. #1 signed for 6 but everyone else in the 1st who's signed have all been for 5. I'm sure that's also one of the issues along with the year # that he can opt out depending on cetain #s Brown collects on the field.

One last issue IMO that could be a factor is also what Saban has planned for Brown. With Ricky back, I'm sure France wants certain guarantees for his player since considering Brown was not only the #2 overall pick but also the 1st RB taken. That just might be the biggest issue of them all.
 
cnc66 said:
I hope you are correct, that would be sweet to come home later and find five hundred posts about his signing. BTW, when is that Tokyo game?
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Sat....but I'm not sure on the time. I wanna say 3 pm but I don't know. I am postive it's Saturday though
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PHANTASTIC 13 said:
I read that same article and I will post it and hope that Ronnie Brown and his agent read it and come to their senses and do what's best for Ronnie and the Miami Dolphins football team. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2124291
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you know, I read that article also but I'm sorry, I don't think Dilfer would've become a hall of fame QB by coming in 12 DAYS earlier.

and Salaam, come on, that guy was going to smoke tons of pot no matter when he showed for camp!
 
I don't think his value is diminishing at all. However, I do think there's a very good chance he will start his career in Saban's doghouse. He's not saying it publicly, but there's no way he can be pleased with Brown not being in camp right now.
 
CanadaPhinsFan said:
I don't think his value is diminishing at all. However, I do think there's a very good chance he will start his career in Saban's doghouse. He's not saying it publicly, but there's no way he can be pleased with Brown not being in camp right now.
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I think that happens only if he's not signed this week...basically today.

It's a shame that France is so scared that one of his other clients will end up with a better offer that he's doing this. Of course, from their perspective (France's) if he accepts something too low (like 19 mill is low, I believe its 4 mill more than Gallery got last year at the same spot) he could lose clients. Not only possibly lose current ones but even though he had 3 in the top 10 this year he may not get any top talents next year. I think that's what he's really worried about and why he's taking so long. Turd!
;)
 
zephon said:
I think that happens only if he's not signed this week...basically today.

It's a shame that France is so scared that one of his other clients will end up with a better offer that he's doing this. Of course, from their perspective (France's) if he accepts something too low (like 19 mill is low, I believe its 4 mill more than Gallery got last year at the same spot) he could lose clients. Not only possibly lose current ones but even though he had 3 in the top 10 this year he may not get any top talents next year. I think that's what he's really worried about and why he's taking so long. Turd!
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I guess this is where the NBA system has major advantages over the NFL. Rookies get a certain amount determined by the CBA and that's it. I would be surprised if the NFLPA doesn't consider something similar in the future to try and have more money available for vets.

Hopefully he gets the deal done real soon and is in camp. I'm sure Saban will have a certain level of tolerance, especially since there's an extra preseason game this year. As long as Brown plays in 3 or 4 of them, he should be up to speed for the start of the season.
 
CanadaPhinsFan said:
I guess this is where the NBA system has major advantages over the NFL. Rookies get a certain amount determined by the CBA and that's it. I would be surprised if the NFLPA doesn't consider something similar in the future to try and have more money available for vets.

Hopefully he gets the deal done real soon and is in camp. I'm sure Saban will have a certain level of tolerance, especially since there's an extra preseason game this year. As long as Brown plays in 3 or 4 of them, he should be up to speed for the start of the season.
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That's the big talk right now in the NFL and the NFLPA. Mandatory salary slotting.

It wont be easy for the Owners to get the players association to agree to it but it would be huge for the game itself if they did it.

I'm sure they could convince the vets that it's worth while. When there are players years 5 and on who are already established getting new contracts that are nowhere near what the players in the top 10 of the draft are getting (who haven't played a down in the NFL) I think it would be easy to convince them. But as we've seen in the past, every time the Players ***. gives the owners something THEY request, they've got to add something to the mix so the players think they're getting something in return....even if it benefits them as well.

There's also talk about heavyier fines and such (stuff I'm not sure of) for players who theaten to hold out AFTER they've just signed a contract. Basically something that says players can renegotiate with more than 2 years left on a contract. While I think that's also a great idea from the Team and fans standpoint I seriously think that players should have more rights in that sense. I guess basically I'm saying that sense a team can cut a player and any stage of a contract and not owe him anything the players should have something like the NBA where the team is responsible for a certain percentage of the players contract...basically something like a 80% guaratee if the player is not picked up or even signs a contract for less with another team then the orginal team has to pick up the extra money up to like 80% or something. Basically like the NBA. While the NBA has other issues they certainly have their rookie contracts and vet contracts down pat. They cover their players very well.
 
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