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Is it time to start asking what's up with Dion Jordan?

roy_miami said:
What makes you think he's one of our "best players?"
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It's a good point, but I think with playing time Jordan will prove to be a good player. He has to be better than Wheeler and Ellerbe. In limited action last year, Jordan played well. The talent is there. I really question the coaching staff on this one to be honest. I have to think Carroll in Seattle and Bellicheck in New England would find a starting spot for Jordan. Just my two cents.
 
My feeling is that he is neither an OLB or a DE. He is a bust at #3.
Instead of taking a sure thing at #3, Ireland bet the house and lost.
 
LANGER72 said:
My feeling is that he is neither an OLB or a DE. He is a bust at #3.
Instead of taking a sure thing at #3, Ireland bet the house and lost.
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And Ireland spent $121 million and 57 million of that guaranteed on Ellerbe,Wheeler,and Wallace
Ireland missed the boat and our coaches haven't figured how to right that ship.
 
The PED thing is going to have an effect, physically and mentally, rattling him and throwing off his development. On top of which we're not handling him well at all. You draft a player like that you have to be creative in how you use him. Count me among the legions of people who saw his future as a hybrid LB. Not jamming him into an overcrowded position he's not physically suited to play.
 
Dion Jordan is a talented player on the wrong team.

His natural position is probably as a 3-4 OLB.
 
another Ireland flop. look at all the complaints trending on these boards...the lbers, Wallace and dion Jordan. Ireland lives on!
 
jim1 said:
What's up is that the FO took a nearly unique athlete suited for OLB and force fed him (figuratively and somewhat literally given the weight gain) the overloaded DE position, while what we have starting at OLB is jack sh**. It's almost comical, given how good this guy was playing in space at his natural weight and how consistently mediocre he is playing DE when all tangled up at the LOS, which is most of the time. I'd say that right now Terrence Fede could very well be a better DE than Dion Jordan. In a more creative defense we'd have two big, fast attack OLBs in Jordan and McCain with Jordan Tripp getting an even harder look at both OLB and ILB.
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There's a slight problem with your assessment. He looked good in space (albeit part-time) against "collegiate" competition. At 6-7 running around trying to chase guys in the intermediate area of the field in the NFL, ya he doesn't have the athletic upper hand anymore.

Over-drafted pass rush specialist is all he's likely to amount to, unless he somehow miraculously develops run-stopping instincts.
 
enigmatics said:
There's a slight problem with your assessment. He looked good in space (albeit part-time) against "collegiate" competition. At 6-7 running around trying to chase guys in the intermediate area of the field in the NFL, ya he doesn't have the athletic upper hand anymore.

Over-drafted pass rush specialist is all he's likely to amount to, unless he somehow miraculously develops run-stopping instincts.
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Doesn't have the athletic upper hand anymore? You mean after the team had him put on all that weight? He was stellar in space before that, in college and the NFL. I think that you're kidding yourself otherwise.
 
jim1 said:
Doesn't have the athletic upper hand anymore? You mean after the team had him put on all that weight? He was stellar in space before that, in college and the NFL. I think that you're kidding yourself otherwise.
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He was stellar in space in the NFL? Based on what? A handful of plays? Please don't preach to me about kidding oneself when you put the cart before horse like that.

They put the weight on him because they feel exactly as I do .... with a 6-7 frame he's not compact enough to fair well against the kinds of pass happy offenses with far better athletes that we're seeing in the NFL now, especially from a tackling perspective He'd eventually become a liability.
 
enigmatics said:
He was stellar in space in the NFL? Based on what? A handful of plays? Please don't preach to me about kidding oneself when you put the cart before horse like that.

They put the weight on him because they feel exactly as I do .... with a 6-7 frame he's not compact enough to fair well against the kinds of pass happy offenses with far better athletes that we're seeing in the NFL now, especially from a tackling perspective He'd eventually become a liability.
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Dude, pull up the film of him in college and think again about what there was to see of him in his limited rookie season- the guy could run and cover like a deer. There isn't a whole lot of film in coverage for Miami because he was playing out of place at DE, but he certainly dropped back in coverage at times, case in point being when he blanketed Gronkowski down the sideline. That small sample of NFL coverage work by no means indicates that he was outmatched in the NFL as opposed to college, that's a fallacy imo. What it means is that the coaching staff played him on the line most of thye time, out of position. But as to when they did use him in coverage in the 1st game of last year and how he fared, ckparrothead wrote a good article about that:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-miami-dolphins-can-use-dion-jordan-in-week-2

The question is, to what extent can he do now at the much higher weight that he did last year? Probably quite a bit less. But your argument that he came into the NFL outmatched in in terms of coverage and that part of the problem is his height (6-6.25, not 6-7) is bogus. Not often that you see a guy that size playing out side in coverage more like a S or CB, that's how good he was.

Do you have any examples of Jordan last year in camp, preseason games or the regular season getting outmatched in coverage? What are you basing your opinion on?
 
"Finally they drafted a bigger bust than me" (recent Pat White quote)
 
Despacio said:
As a #3 pick he has to make an impact this season or we can talk bust.
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He is almost a bust now, as compared to other top 3 picks. Certainly last year and the first 4 games of this year will equal bust.
he will have to have a stellar performance after the first 1/4 of the season. Meanwhile, J Clowney looks like a freak before we are half way through preseason, like a top 3 pick.
He could be our biggest bust ever if they don' use him right. I'd deal him, if I didn't know how to use his skill set, hopefully they do.
 
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