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Is our defense a BIG disappointment waiting to happen?

Wagon Circler said:
You clearly know nothing about McGahee.
Let me guess, I probably don't know anything about Buffalo or Bills fans either, because I only lived near there for 22 years....

...and went to college where they use to have training camp at the time (SUNY Fredonia)
 
Schleprock said:
Let me guess, I probably don't know anything about Buffalo or Bills fans either, because I only lived near there for 22 years....

...and went to college where they use to have training camp at the time (SUNY Fredonia)

No you don't know anything about Mcgahee because if you did you wouldn't compare him to Eddie George.

Eddie was a great back, but Mcgahee was one of the most explosive prospects to come out of College in years. He had a great first season, and is now back to 100%.
 
Shifty187 said:
Our DT's are a joke and we're in a division that has 3 Pro Bowl caliber RB's in Martin, Dillon and McGahee! With the exception of Madison our entire secondary is suspect and our LB's (Thomas and Seau) are ageing.

We drafted 3 very nice players in Roth, Crowder and Daniels but lets not forget that their rooks! Does anyone honestly expect us to finish in the top 10 with 3 rookies expected to consistentley contribute and question marks at both DT positions and in the entire secondary?


Miami have plenty of talent on the D-End (Taylor, Holliday,Carter, Roth) better then last year at DT with the addition of Traylor, and considering we will be playing some 3-4 D, most of the talent comes from LB.

Consider this in a 3-4........

......Holliday.......Traylor..........Carter
Roth.........Seau.........Thomas.........Taylor


but we do still need one more huge player for the 4-3 Defense, Chester is not coming back, and if he does, he will not be even close power wise that once made him the strongest man in football.


As for DB, Madison is still an above average Corner (Maybe no longer great), and Daniels could be solid on the other side as he gets better. Few teams have even one good Corner, we have one, and another that at least knows his role better then the normal rookie.


My biggest problem is safety, not exactly sold with the guys we have to this point, other then Bell (Still think he could be an amazing player for us), but with all his injury problems, it makes it very tough to count on him.

Considering what kind of a pressure defense we will be playing, Miami's DB will not be need to much time to cover a receiver, they just need to be disciplined, and play smart.

This is not that bad of defense, and Miami will have another DT and Safety soon, so If anyone is think of this defense as being the same as last year, get ready for a surprise.
 
Losman7 said:
No you don't know anything about Mcgahee because if you did you wouldn't compare him to Eddie George.

Eddie was a great back, but Mcgahee was one of the most explosive prospects to come out of College in years. He had a great first season, and is now back to 100%.

:rolleyes:

R-E-M-O-H
 
Schleprock said:
I forgot...now 7-8 games makes a Pro Bowler :rolleyes: Gee, I remember when only a decent season was needed to make someone a "definite" pro bowler the next year. TDs = Big Deal. Zack Crockett and Stacy mack have a lot of TDs over the past 3-4 years too, and look what mack did when they handed him the #1 job in Houston.

Last 8 games of last year:
McGahee = 655 rushing yards (156 attempts)
K.Jones = 906 rushing yards (172 attempts)

I think McGahee is solid, but I don't see him as anything more than an Eddie George. A plugger, who keeps plugging, and you never have to worry about a big run

I agree with most of what you said, but willils can break a long run with the best of them. Did you see him at um? and remember last year he was a rookie and coming off of an injury. I think he will be in the top 10 in rushing yards this year.
 
Schleprock said:
TDs = Big Deal. Zack Crockett and Stacy mack have a lot of TDs over the past 3-4 years too, and look what mack did when they handed him the #1 job in Houston.

Im sorry for running on with this argument but i just noticed this. How can you compare anything those two backs did to Willis? Those two are considered 'goal line specialists'. They were only put in the game when they were on the goalline or they needed very short yardage, thats what attributed to their large TD outputs...

Shifty187 said:
Our DT's are a joke and we're in a division that has 3 Pro Bowl caliber RB's in Martin, Dillon and McGahee! With the exception of Madison our entire secondary is suspect and our LB's (Thomas and Seau) are ageing.

We drafted 3 very nice players in Roth, Crowder and Daniels but lets not forget that their rooks! Does anyone honestly expect us to finish in the top 10 with 3 rookies expected to consistentley contribute and question marks at both DT positions and in the entire secondary?

Im interested in seeing how Saban makes this work. Carter played well when he was moved to DT in Tennessee. Sure he excels as a DE pass rusher but he's clearly an upgrade over anyone that played the DT positition for us last year. There's no doubt we will need to add another big body in the middle especially if Chester is not able to contribute but I dont think we are as bad off as some think. As for the secondary, im really hoping we can pick up Schulters. If we can add at least one more significant starter to this group i think our secondary will overachieve as long as we can provide a solid pass rush which is to be expected with (Taylor, Roth, Holliday, and Carter).
 
ive read several times (dont remember where) that willis didnt appear to have that special burst last year he displayed at miami, which is understandable, but i guess there is some people that believe he may never get it back totally, even if he doesnt he is still a probowler, just not as scary as he could be
 
claytonAndDuper said:
ive read several times (dont remember where) that willis didnt appear to have that special burst last year he displayed at miami, which is understandable, but i guess there is some people that believe he may never get it back totally, even if he doesnt he is still a probowler, just not as scary as he could be

he didn't show his break away speed last year, but he did break off some long runs. his longest got called back on a holding.

But his, like all knee injuries, take two full season to fully recover from. reports are that he is bigger, stronger and faster than last season. And more confident with his leg.

We'll see.
 
claytonAndDuper said:
ive read several times (dont remember where) that willis didnt appear to have that special burst last year he displayed at miami, which is understandable, but i guess there is some people that believe he may never get it back totally, even if he doesnt he is still a probowler, just not as scary as he could be

Bills coaches were asked at this year's combines if they felt Willis was a 100% last year and they all said no. You are right he did not have that extra burst that made him so special in college.

Last offseason he worked on getting into playing shape just being able to play and play well after that injury is amazing in itself. It has been noted though that this offseason he has worked a ton on his speed to gain that burst back. If he does get that back he will be one of the best in the leagues.

He has strength and power to run between tackles, hopefully get that burst back and a killer stiff arm.

Anyways, it seems a lot of fans are sold on the fact since Saban here all defensive problems are going to just melt away. I think though you should wait till training camp and preseason games to see how the defense starts shaping up.
 
Schleprock said:
McGahee is Pro Bowl material?? Are you a Bills fan? If you are going by stats, Kevin Jones is a more "Pro Bowl bound' running back than Willis at this juncture. Jones was the second best back in the league for the remaining seven games of last season.
i think most people here will agree that McGahee is a VERY good RB. and defianatly plays at a very high level. you can look at stats, but you should also look at what a player does on the field. just watch a few games and you will see why I put McGahee higher than alot of other RBs.

i would take McGahee over Jones in a heart beat.
 
actually dario romero he is a good dt and chester is a good dt too zgonia is good too taylor was a great pickup by the dolphins so please would you shut up already shifty and are d will be top 5 next year and i think your a jets fan

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thenicksabanera said:
actually dario romero he is a good dt and chester is a good dt too zgonia is good too taylor was a great pickup by the dolphins so please would you shut up already shifty and are d will be top 5 next year and i think your a jets fan

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D. Romero and Zgonia both showed last year that they are not run stoppers. Zgonia has a edge in pass rush, but he's no longer a full time DT. Traylor is a big ? for me, he reminds me of Adams for the bills, both washed up as far as I'm concern. He's good for a couple plays a series..we must get another monster if Chester isn't ready..If Chester's ready, he's the only monster DT we'll have on this team. Carter at DT for the whole season is a bit of a risk. He can spot play on psssing downs, which to me is his best use at DT. But for running..chester, and another Bowens type player is needed, especially in the 4-3 D.
 
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