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Is Philbin A Leader of Men?

Fin Thirteen said:
I think it's a bit more than that hoops, otherwise anybody with a good QB and a handful of Al Pacino quotes could be a good head coach. Sparano did a nice job coming in and motivating a bunch of players who had given up to work hard and get rewarded with a championship game. But he was very limited strategically, he was behind the curve on the evolution of the game and his motivational box of tricks got pretty stale pretty quickly. He had a pathological love of fieldgoals too.

Philbin is a guy who does everything Sparano couldn't do. He is the anti-Sparano (apart from the o-line coaching origins). He's the planner in the coaching hierarchy - the strategist. He has put a huge amount of effort into structuring what goes on off the field to maximise performance on it. He is the guy looking at the development of the sport and where opportunities exist to exploit that development. There is no question in my mind that he is NOT going to slavishly try to replicate the Packers in Miami.

He's also quite ballsy - something Sparano definitely wasn't. Sparano would never have started Tannehill in Game 1. Sparano wouldn't have let Bush go in the offseason. Sparano wouldn't have tried the fake punt, the onside kick, the (unsuccessful) fake field goal, the 2-point conversions. I say that knowing Sherman did the playcalling (in its own way a ballsy decision by Philbin).

Hopefully, with this approach we win more. Because then, success will beget confidence and more success. In that version of events, there's less reliance on "rah, rah, rah" style motivation and it's more about a culture of performance.

Where I have a reservation about Philbin is if we don't win as much as we want. We have two fairly reserved, cerebral leaders in Philbin and Tannehill - neither of which are inspirational figures in the stereotypical sense. If the wheels come off in some way (injury, bad luck, poor play) Philbin better hope Sherman and Coyle and Turner and Rogers and Campbell and O'Keefe all fill the motivational void and get guys fired up.

So, for the long run, I am pretty confident we have one of the right guys. If we get a prolonged dip in the short run, Philbin might need to lean on a few guys so that he's still around for the long-run.
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well sure...when you compare it to sparano it is a lot more than that...but sparano shouldn't have been coaching even a little league football team...and let's face it he never had a real qb to win over the long haul with...i thought for a long time sparano just played for field goals and yeah he did no question at times play it way too conservative and his ocs well they sucked...daboll and the other dinosaur sucked...sparano and the o had a play not to lose mindset...but i also think looking back and the more i studied henne as his time got shorter here that a lot of the red zone woes and inability to get in the end zone were on the qb also...henne had/has a lot of weaknesses that were exploited while he was here...

as for being a real good head coach or being perceived as one it's an awful lot about finding yourself a qb and him playing big for you...ie dungy in indy with peyton manning...you pretty much just have to get out of the way when you have a top qb...let him do his work...know the offense is in good hands and focus on other things...and you also get the luxury of knowing that you'll be in the playoff hunt year in and year out with that qb...
 
El Calebra said:
Who gives a **** what anyone on South Beach has to say.

Think about this. They like Kim Kardashian. That tells me all I need to know about south beach and how much brain power resides there.
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Not nice. I guess I must have missed the news reports of all the "Rocket Surgeons" in SC. LOL
 
FWIW, I remember reading at the time right after hiring Joe an interview with Aaron Rodgers where he attributes much of his football succcess and personal development to Philbin. When the best QB in the league who's known for speaking his mind, being occasionally headstrong and petulant... and not mincing words waxes so enthusiastically about Philbin's influence, IMO, you cannot find a better testimonial regarding his leadership.
 
Didnt Philbin get rid of every person on that "Leadership Council".. That right there proves that he is a leader. That he doesnt need some stupid "council" to get through to his players. If someone needs motivation or speaking to, he does it himself.. Last year he did a great job as a leader and he will do an even better job going forward.

Want to know who isnt a leader? A guy who cries to the refs that if they call a TD, they will "all lose their f*&^%$g jobs"...
 
But yet he contininuously started Henne when Matt Moore was certainly the better QB. Not saying Matt Moore is the end all be all but he was much better than Henne.
hooshoops said:
well sure...when you compare it to sparano it is a lot more than that...but sparano shouldn't have been coaching even a little league football team...and let's face it he never had a real qb to win over the long haul with...i thought for a long time sparano just played for field goals and yeah he did no question at times play it way too conservative and his ocs well they sucked...daboll and the other dinosaur sucked...sparano and the o had a play not to lose mindset...but i also think looking back and the more i studied henne as his time got shorter here that a lot of the red zone woes and inability to get in the end zone were on the qb also...henne had/has a lot of weaknesses that were exploited while he was here...

as for being a real good head coach or being perceived as one it's an awful lot about finding yourself a qb and him playing big for you...ie dungy in indy with peyton manning...you pretty much just have to get out of the way when you have a top qb...let him do his work...know the offense is in good hands and focus on other things...and you also get the luxury of knowing that you'll be in the playoff hunt year in and year out with that qb...
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It's not a coincidence that every member of the "leadership council" is no longer here. This team has 1 voice, 1 leader, and its Philbin.
 
FWIW, I have my "Live Forum" in South Beach, which is a melting pot for fans from NY, NE, and Miami. I share what is being said with you the same way I share with them what you guys are saying. It's an assortment from Happy Hour, the job site, etc. There are no links, no media, just fans giving an opinion.

The opinions on Philbin are mixed from Jets, to Pats, to Phins. Almost all agree that he did a fine job last year with questionable talent on O, with most wanting to see more this year, a bit like Tannehill. It's not a good or bad thing, just a realistic one.

Some believe that a HC has to be an emotional leader of men to take them a little step further than what they would normally do. That's very tuff to argue with.

Others love the cerebral approach, in being completely on top of each and every detail, and putting players in position to do their best. This is what Philbin is and, so far, I kinda like it, although I would prefer some more emotion. JMO

We shall see how Philbin plays out in the next two seasons, this one is not enough. I believe he will do well. However, emotion in the NFL cannot be diminished as if it does not matter. Parity has done away with that.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
FWIW, I have my "Live Forum" in South Beach, which is a melting pot for fans from NY, NE, and Miami. I share what is being said with you the same way I share with them what you guys are saying. It's an assortment from Happy Hour, the job site, etc. There are no links, no media, just fans giving an opinion.

The opinions on Philbin are mixed from Jets, to Pats, to Phins. Almost all agree that he did a fine job last year with questionable talent on O, with most wanting to see more this year, a bit like Tannehill. It's not a good or bad thing, just a realistic one.

Some believe that a HC has to be an emotional leader of men to take them a little step further than what they would normally do. That's very tuff to argue with.

Others love the cerebral approach, in being completely on top of each and every detail, and putting players in position to do their best. This is what Philbin is and, so far, I kinda like it, although I would prefer some more emotion. JMO

We shall see how Philbin plays out in the next two seasons, this one is not enough. I believe he will do well. However, emotion in the NFL cannot be diminished as if it does not matter. Parity has done away with that.
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So you are using a sample size of South beach only which is a very VERY small sample size. The amount of Dolphins fans OUTSIDE of the state of Florida is much larger than INSIDE the state of Florida. Im sure there are more members on this site alone than who you speak with in Miami. If you want to use a more accurate sampling, create a poll of this website.
 
dolpns13 said:
So you are using a sample size of South beach only which is a very VERY small sample size. The amount of Dolphins fans OUTSIDE of the state of Florida is much larger than INSIDE the state of Florida. Im sure there are more members on this site alone than who you speak with in Miami. If you want to use a more accurate sampling, create a poll of this website.
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Yes I am D13, and you are right, it is a small sampling. However, it is a fair sampling of real fans, not in the media, who know the game. It is more than my opinion alone or any single poster but, much less than this forum.

I can put up countless links to what the media has to say. However, this thread is just about what some fans have to say for a topic of discussion.
 
dolpns13 said:
But yet he contininuously started Henne when Matt Moore was certainly the better QB. Not saying Matt Moore is the end all be all but he was much better than Henne.
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matt moore wouldn't have saved him either...
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Yes I am D13, and you are right, it is a small sampling. However, it is a fair sampling of real fans, not in the media, who know the game. It is more than my opinion alone or any single poster but, much less than this forum.

I can put up countless links to what the media has to say. However, this thread is just about what some fans have to say for a topic of discussion.
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The flaw is that fans on here, and "real" dolphins fans know much more about the team than displaced NYJ, or NE fans do, even if [we] are not living in Florida. The same goes for the media. The media has a general bias toward the Dolphins so suffice to say that the media would simply say Philbin is not a leader of men because of that bias. I do not buy into ANYTHING the media says, good or bad. I form my own opinions. With that being said, what I witnessed this year was a leader. Tannehilll had some success this year, and after he threw an INT or took a sack, or just made a bad play, you could see on the next pay or the next drive he just forgot about it and moved forward. Philbin had to have something to do with that. It would have been Philbins leadership that taught Tannehill to forget and move on. That showed.
 
dolpns13 said:
Not saying he would have, but Matt Moore likely would have been good for 2 more wins that Henne couldnt muster.
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ehhh...maybe...but the d would have figured him out and exploited him too over time
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Yes I am D13, and you are right, it is a small sampling. However, it is a fair sampling of real fans, not in the media, who know the game. It is more than my opinion alone or any single poster but, much less than this forum.

I can put up countless links to what the media has to say. However, this thread is just about what some fans have to say for a topic of discussion.
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Just so there's no hypocrisy in your SoBe focus group where it's the Pats fans who think Philbin should be more emotional and Jest fans who believe he should be more intellectual ..cuz that would be just a tad disingenuous :idk:
 
dolpns13 said:
The flaw is that fans on here, and "real" dolphins fans know much more about the team than displaced NYJ, or NE fans do, even if [we] are not living in Florida. The same goes for the media. The media has a general bias toward the Dolphins so suffice to say that the media would simply say Philbin is not a leader of men because of that bias. I do not buy into ANYTHING the media says, good or bad. I form my own opinions. With that being said, what I witnessed this year was a leader. Tannehilll had some success this year, and after he threw an INT or took a sack, or just made a bad play, you could see on the next pay or the next drive he just forgot about it and moved forward. Philbin had to have something to do with that. It would have been Philbins leadership that taught Tannehill to forget and move on. That showed.
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Would it surprise you to find out that "some" Pats and Jets fans have more good things to say about our team than "some" posters here? True story.
 
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