Is Philbin A Leader of Men?

[dolpns13]

ehhh...maybe...but the d would have figured him out and exploited him too over time

I have to disagree. He is a veteran who has started and everything teams know about him wasnt going to change if he got more playing time so in that I do not think there is an opportunity to exploint anything new. In 2011 as a starter he had an average QBR of 91. I still think he would have netted us a couple more wins had he started over Henne.. Maybe even 3 more.. With that being said however, had that been the case we probably wouldnt have fired the Meatball and thus wouldnt have Tannehill right now.

 

[So Be]

Just so there's no hypocrisy in your SoBe focus group where it's the Pats fans who think Philbin should be more emotional and Jest fans who believe he should be more intellectual ..cuz that would be just a tad disingenuous :idk:

No hypocrisy and/or dis-ingenuousness involved. Just knowledgeable fans, from all THREE teams, giving their assorted opinions.

 

[hoops]

I have to disagree. He is a veteran who has started and everything teams know about him wasnt going to change if he got more playing time so in that I do not think there is an opportunity to exploint anything new. In 2011 as a starter he had an average QBR of 91. I still think he would have netted us a couple more wins had he started over Henne.. Maybe even 3 more.. With that being said however, had that been the case we probably wouldnt have fired the Meatball and thus wouldnt have Tannehill right now.

with or without matt moore starting they still would have been looking for a qb...they said so even after he finished the year doing well...they don't view matt moore as anything long term starting material wise...i'm glad too cause i don't either

 

[Dolphins7273]

He's a "fisher" of men, just like Jesus.

 

[GoonBoss]

FWIW, I have my "Live Forum" in South Beach, which is a melting pot for fans from NY, NE, and Miami. I share what is being said with you the same way I share with them what you guys are saying. It's an assortment from Happy Hour, the job site, etc. There are no links, no media, just fans giving an opinion.

The opinions on Philbin are mixed from Jets, to Pats, to Phins. Almost all agree that he did a fine job last year with questionable talent on O, with most wanting to see more this year, a bit like Tannehill. It's not a good or bad thing, just a realistic one.

Some believe that a HC has to be an emotional leader of men to take them a little step further than what they would normally do. That's very tuff to argue with.

Others love the cerebral approach, in being completely on top of each and every detail, and putting players in position to do their best. This is what Philbin is and, so far, I kinda like it, although I would prefer some more emotion. JMO

We shall see how Philbin plays out in the next two seasons, this one is not enough. I believe he will do well. However, emotion in the NFL cannot be diminished as if it does not matter. Parity has done away with that.

What qualifications do any of them have to judge a man's leadership when they are not in,
employed by, or in any way associated with the organization he's tasked to lead?

For that matter, what qualifications do they have to judge the leadership qualities of anyone?

 

[AphexPhin]

He's a damn good coach and I can't wait for this season

GO FINS!!!!

 

[So Be]

What qualifications do any of them have to judge a man's leadership when they are not in,
employed by, or in any way associated with the organization he's tasked to lead?

For that matter, what qualifications do they have to judge the leadership qualities of anyone?

One could easily say the same of the vast majority of people voting in elections, which is a bit more important. :)

What qualifications do most fans have to judge any player or coach other than what they see, hear, and feel? Should we all stop giving opinions until passing a test proving we know enough to give them?

Hmmmmmm, not a bad idea. lol

 

[GoonBoss]

One could easily say the same of the vast majority of people voting in elections, which is a bit more important. :)

What qualifications do most fans have to judge any player or coach other than what they see, hear, and feel? Should we all stop giving opinions until passing a test proving we know enough to give them?

Hmmmmmm, not a bad idea. lol

So in other words, these people have no qualifications what so ever to judge the leadership capabilities or qualities
of a man that holds one of thirty two jobs of it's sort in the world.

I'll assume that's what you meant since you chose not to answer my question.

 

[So Be]

So in other words, these people have no qualifications what so ever to judge the leadership capabilities or qualities
of a man that holds one of thirty two jobs of it's sort in the world.

I'll assume that's what you meant since you chose not to answer my question.

I cannot answer as they were fans expressing opinions, the same as we do do here on this forum. I have been a project manager in commercial construction for over 25 years, with 50 to 150 people working for me on and given job. I still do not feel qualified to judge a NFL coach but, giving a somewhat knowledgeable opinion, as a Phinatic, is an entirely different deal.

JMO :)

 

[So Be]

I cannot answer as they were fans expressing opinions, the same as we do do here on this forum. I have been a project manager in commercial construction for over 25 years, with 50 to 150 people working for me on and given job. I still do not feel qualified to judge a NFL coach but, giving a somewhat knowledgeable opinion, as a Phinatic, is an entirely different deal.

JMO :)

Do you have any qualifications to say that others should not be giving an opinion?

 

[GoonBoss]

I cannot answer as they were fans expressing opinions, the same as we do do here on this forum. I have been a project manager in commercial construction for over 25 years, with 50 to 150 people working for me on and given job. I still do not feel qualified to judge a NFL coach but, giving a somewhat knowledgeable opinion, as a Phinatic, is an entirely different deal.

JMO :)

So, just random people at a water cooler...Nobody that knows anything about what it's like to be
under Philbin's supervision.

Would you say that your live forum, populated by fans, some of whom don't even like the Dolphins and would
have understandably biased opinions would be more, less, or just as qualified to judge and express an educated
opinion on Philbin's leadership and management qualities than say...Brian Hartline and Austin Spitler?

 

[GoonBoss]

Do you have any qualifications to say that others should not be giving an opinion?

I'll assume that was meant for me.

I never said that anyone should or should not be offering an opinion. I challenge you to find where I did.
I was simply trying to gauge the qualifications of this so called forum to render an opinion on the leadership
qualities of a man they are not led by.

Anyone can have an opinion. And as long as it's within the TOS you're free to express it here.

I just find it completely assinine that the question is even being asked about the man.

 

[So Be]

I'll assume that was meant for me.

I never said that anyone should or should not be offering an opinion. I challenge you to find where I did.
I was simply trying to gauge the qualifications of this so called forum to render an opinion on the leadership
qualities of a man they are not led by.

Anyone can have an opinion. And as long as it's within the TOS you're free to express it here.

I just find it completely assinine that the question is even being asked about the man.

When you ask for qualifications of someone giving an opinion, when you very well know they do not have them, are you not saying that their opinion means nothing, and they have no reason to give one?

Players, like Hartline as you mention, should have more of a right and more info to express one than a fan. I'm sure you recall JT giving Sparano much praise in saying that he would run through a brick wall for the man. How did that work out?

Hell, even Shula, who is a GOD in Miami, was questioned by many before being fired. Same was true of JJ, with his rings, Wanny, Cam, Saban, and Tuna & Company.

If Shula can be ripped (which he was), why should Philbin not be questioned by most of the same fans with the same qualifications?

Let's move to Tannehill, who was also a rookie. Anyone qualified to give opinions on him?

 

[GoonBoss]

When you ask for qualifications of someone giving an opinion, when you very well know they do not have them, are you not saying that their opinion means nothing, and they have no reason to give one?

Players, like Hartline as you mention, should have more of a right and more info to express one than a fan. I'm sure you recall JT giving Sparano much praise in saying that he would run through a brick wall for the man. How did that work out?

Hell, even Shula, who is a GOD in Miami, was questioned by many before being fired. Same was true of JJ, with his rings, Wanny, Cam, Saban, and Tuna & Company.

If Shula can be ripped (which he was), why should Philbin not be questioned by most of the same fans with the same qualifications?

Let's move to Tannehill, who was also a rookie. Anyone qualified to give opinions on him?

That's you reading into what I say. I have no idea what qualifications the people you speak to do or do not have. I had no idea
what your qualifications were until you stated them. I'll take that at face value. Would you value the opinion of a person who
has played football, or has been under Philbins purview, etc's opinion more or less than some 21 year old that lives in his mom's basement?
I know which opinion I'd value more, your mileage may vary.

Everyone, to include Hartline has a right to express an opinion. I would simply say that Hartline's opinion carries more weight with me
than some dude leaning on a water cooler. As far as JT's feelings about Sparano, they are his own. Sparano was that firey, fist pumping type.
Maybe that's what JT likes and responds to. Philbin is a more reserved, stoic type. Maybe that's what Hartline responds to. If you know anything
at all about leadership you'll know that everyone responds to different managementand leadership styles, teqniques and characteristics differently. Not everyone
needs to be kicked in the ass, while other people need to be, etc.

As I've said before; You, and everyone else is free to give your opinion. Your little....."focus group" included.

What IS your opinion by the way? I don't think I ever saw you state one. Just a bunch of generalizations
and irrational strawmen. It's assinine to even bring up this sort of thing when it's clear that his team thinks
he's doing a fine job and has responded to him well.

 

[dolpns13]

with or without matt moore starting they still would have been looking for a qb...they said so even after he finished the year doing well...they don't view matt moore as anything long term starting material wise...i'm glad too cause i don't either

I agree with that and alluded to it. Matt Moore is definitety not a long term answer and as I said before the chances of the Meatball getting canned are less with Moore as QB than Henne... Had that been the case we likely would have chosen a lineman than Tannehill.