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Is Philbin's Ego A Problem?

My nickname for Philbin (other than Failbin) is the "the Principal".

That's exactly what he is, an administrator who makes sure your shirt is tucked in and that you don't run through the halls.

Eventually, everyone tunes out the principal.

The principal doesn't inspire. The principal doesn't lead. He just makes sure everyone is following the schedule and institutes discipline when required.

Philbin doesn't bring anything else to the table, and for this reason, he will fail. As a HC, his peak will be bringing a team to the playoffs only to lose in the first round consistently, if he even manages that...
 
Philbin will be a successful coach if he can inspire a belief in his players that he and his assistants are sufficiently good at putting them in positions to win, the team has sufficient talent to win, and there are leaders among the players who, based on their innate leadership ability and their belief in the above (the coaches and the talent), inspire their teammates to give their maximum effort in the name of the team.

Anything short of that and Philbin's ego, whatever it is, won't matter at all. By contrast, if those conditions are satisfied, Philbin's ego, whatever it is, will likewise be irrelevant.
 
No players that play with fire being coached by a guy with no fire.
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you mean like stoic as a stone billichek or for you fellas who were around nfl longer than 5 years or are nfl history buffs remember the most stoic coach of them all.... TOM LANDRY!!

he won a game or two.

the key to winning games is not a spit slobbering maniac, its a coach who can TEACH!! FROM HC TO POSITION COACHES. that why guys like billichek and landry raymond berry, bill walsh, tony dungy, etc... all were winners, because they could teach!! and the firey guys like shula and coughlin,etc...., if all they were was about yelling and screaching, they wouldnt have won a thing. those guys are all teachers, but, some just see the screaming banchee and think thats why they are successful.

philbin is an exellent coach who was handed a bust draft and free agency, a team that was WORSE than the year before in his rookie season. people are yaking now about "philbin not playing the draft pics" he was givin by wonder boy ireland. WHICH ONES? because all of them except two i think had SIGNIFICANT injuries coming in. including the 3rd overall choice by ireland who suffered from it ALL YEAR and they finally protected their investment by shutting him down. [a guy who shouldnt have been pic'd that high].

but, somehow, this all lands in philbins lap.

and lets not forget that his qb didnt have the second year the team thought he was going to have.

philbin didnt have a chance. in fact, the coached his arse off getting this awful team to 8-8 with the completely bust draft that medically couldnt play, no talent on the o-line outside of pouncy, rb's who cant play, on ANY team, a qb who cant hit the big play and the martin scandal. now, if you all knew before the draft last year we would have all these things happen, would you have bet we would be an 8-8 team?

the answer is no. you wouldnt. PHILBIN is a very good coach who has almost no real talent [IRELAND HAD COMPLETE CONTROL OF DRAFT PICS AND F/A"S], and a maybe he will, maybe he wont qb, awful o-line and an nfl scandal and a gm and front office dog fighting for power and their jobs. and he took the team to 8-8!!

ooh, but he is soooo easy going, he should yell more, then we would have won. :boohoo:

sheeesh. :(
 
NRA said:


you mean like stoic as a stone billichek or for you fellas who were around nfl longer than 5 years or are nfl hisory buffs remember the most stoic coach of them all.... TOM LANDRY!!

he won a game or two.

the key to winning games is not a spit slobbering maniac, its a oach who can TEACH!! FROM HC TO POSITION COACHES. that why guys like billichek and landry raymond berry, bill walsh, etc... all were winners, because they could teach!! and the firey guys like shula and coughlin,etc...., if all they were was about yelling and screaching, they wouldnt have won a thing. those guys are all teachers, but, some just see the screaming banchee and think thats why they are successful.

philbin is an exellent coach who was handed a bust draft and free agency, a team that was WORSE than the year before in his rookie season. people are yaking now about "philbin not playing the draft pics" he was givin by wonder boy ireland. WHICH ONES? because all of them except two i think had SIGNIFICANT injuries coming in. including the 3rd overall choice by ireland who suffered from it ALL YEAR and they finally protected in their investment by shutting him down.

but, somehow, this all lands in philbins lap.

and lets not forget that his qb didnt have the second years the team thought he was going to have.

philbin didnt have a chance. in fact, the coached his arse off getting this awful team to 8-8 with the completely bust draft that medically couldnt play, no talent on the o-line outside of pouncy, rb's who cant play, on NAY team, a qb who cant hit the big play and the martin scandal. now, if you all knew before the draft last year we would have all these things happen, would you have bet we would be an 8-8 team?

the answer is no. you wouldnt. PHILBIN is a very good coach who has almost no real talent, and a maybe he will, maybe he wont qb, awful o-line and nfl scandal and a gm and front office dog fighting for power and their jobs. and he took the team to 8-8!!

ooh, but he is soooo easy going, he should yell more, then we would win.

sheeesh. :(
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When has Philbin proven he can "teach" anything? He delegates absolutely everything. He doesn't give hands on attention to a single position group, unlike Belchick who is constantly seen "coaching then up" on the sidelines and at practice.
 
NRA said:


you mean like stoic as a stone billichek or for you fellas who were around nfl longer than 5 years or are nfl history buffs remember the most stoic coach of them all.... TOM LANDRY!!

he won a game or two.

the key to winning games is not a spit slobbering maniac, its a coach who can TEACH!! FROM HC TO POSITION COACHES. that why guys like billichek and landry raymond berry, bill walsh, tony dungy, etc... all were winners, because they could teach!! and the firey guys like shula and coughlin,etc...., if all they were was about yelling and screaching, they wouldnt have won a thing. those guys are all teachers, but, some just see the screaming banchee and think thats why they are successful.

philbin is an exellent coach who was handed a bust draft and free agency, a team that was WORSE than the year before in his rookie season. people are yaking now about "philbin not playing the draft pics" he was givin by wonder boy ireland. WHICH ONES? because all of them except two i think had SIGNIFICANT injuries coming in. including the 3rd overall choice by ireland who suffered from it ALL YEAR and they finally protected their investment by shutting him down. [a guy who shouldnt have been pic'd that high].

but, somehow, this all lands in philbins lap.

and lets not forget that his qb didnt have the second year the team thought he was going to have.

philbin didnt have a chance. in fact, the coached his arse off getting this awful team to 8-8 with the completely bust draft that medically couldnt play, no talent on the o-line outside of pouncy, rb's who cant play, on ANY team, a qb who cant hit the big play and the martin scandal. now, if you all knew before the draft last year we would have all these things happen, would you have bet we would be an 8-8 team?

the answer is no. you wouldnt. PHILBIN is a very good coach who has almost no real talent [IRELAND HAD COMPLETE CONTROL OF DRAFT PICS AND F/A"S], and a maybe he will, maybe he wont qb, awful o-line and an nfl scandal and a gm and front office dog fighting for power and their jobs. and he took the team to 8-8!!

ooh, but he is soooo easy going, he should yell more, then we would have won. :boohoo:

sheeesh. :(
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Players are saying they learned nothing, and that Philbin is nothing special on X's and 0's. They say that they like him as a person but, that players take on the personality of their coach, integrity, attention to detail but flat and emotionless. Sounds like the last two games to me.
 
SkapePhin said:
When has Philbin proven he can "teach" anything? He delegates absolutely everything. He doesn't give hands on attention to a single position group, unlike Belchick who is constantly seen "coaching then up" on the sidelines and at practice.
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Have you ever been to a Fins practice? I'll guess no.
 
Gravity said:
Philbin will be a successful coach if he can inspire a belief in his players that he and his assistants are sufficiently good at putting them in positions to win, the team has sufficient talent to win, and there are leaders among the players who, based on their innate leadership ability and their belief in the above (the coaches and the talent), inspire their teammates to give their maximum effort in the name of the team.

Anything short of that and Philbin's ego, whatever it is, won't matter at all. By contrast, if those conditions are satisfied, Philbin's ego, whatever it is, will likewise be irrelevant.
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Who do you see as leaders among the players? I do not see a single one.
 
Zounds said:
Have you ever been to a Fins practice? I'll guess no.
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Barry Jackson just reported last week that some players have grumbled that they haven't learned a single thing since joining the team.

We have never seen a single instance of Philbin meeting with a position group on the sidelines during a game. Never!

During the entirety of hard knocks, we never saw a single clip of Philbin providing teaching or guidance to a player outside of telling Chad Ochocinco not to curse or to tell a player to tie their shoes or pick up gum wrappers.

Can you refute any of these statements?
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
Jake Long leaving the Dolphins had nothing to do with 'speaking his mind.' It had to do with the Rams offering a bit more money, plus I think Jake felt insulted by the way we treated him. Jake was certainly not a troublemaker or anything. I don't even understand how you can think that we 'dumped' Jake Long for that when his play was clearly in decline, he was always hurt, and we still offered him about 8 million dollars a year.

I don't think Reggie's vocal leadership was an issue either. I'd actually guess that the staff loved Reggie's work ethic and the example tried to set. The reasons why I think we let Reggie go: 1. Philbin wants north/south runners and hates fumblers. 2. Jeff Ireland believed in Miller/Thomas. 3. We didn't use him as a receiver, he's not great at blitz pickups, and we don't run the ball anyway. In other words, we just didn't feel like putting his great skillset to use so there was no reason to offer him four million dollars a year when we could get the same marginal production and blitz pickups out of Lamar Miller.

As for Dansby, we did ask him to take a pay cut and only cut him when he refused. That said, he was absolutely shipped out for personality reasons. Guy showed up like 70 pounds overweight to camp one year and then 30 or so pounds the next year. He was insubordinate in public and --if you believe Richie's dad -- the players couldn't stand his attitude.
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Just to add on Reggie, rumors are that the coaches felt that he phoned it in a bit after his injury against the Jets (similar reason as to why he soured on Bess later... even with Bess's issues coming out), but the fumbles and the bouncing outside drove him insane as well. He benched Reggie one game because of fumbles/bouncing, and he also took Miller out a lot this year when he wasn't going north.

It's been pointed out though that Philbin has no issues with all outspoked guys (Brian Hartline and Mike Wallace do not sugar coat anything. Nolan Carroll has been critical of people, as have Cam Wake, Pouncey, and others).

As for Philbin's ego. I think his stubbornness/inability/refusal to step in and take control away from Mike Sherman is a huge red flag, that could end up being his downfall in the end absolutely
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Who do you see as leaders among the players? I do not see a single one.
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Tannehill, Grimes, Wake, Hartline, Pouncey, and Dolphins hair stylist Paul Soliai. You really dont see any leadership on the team?

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SkapePhin said:
Barry Jackson just reported last week that some players have grumbled that they haven't learned a single thing since joining the team.

We have never seen a single instance of Philbin meeting with a position group on the sidelines during a game. Never!

During the entirety of hard knocks, we never saw a single clip of Philbin providing teaching or guidance to a player outside of telling Chad Ochocinco not to curse or to tell a player to tie their shoes or pick up gum wrappers.

Can you refute any of these statements?
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Barry Jackson reported on positional coaches, not Philbin.

Yes I have seen Philbin on the sidelines during a game with a unit.

Ive seen Philbin get on plenty of players during practice, and during Hard Knocks.
 
Zounds said:
Tannehill, Grimes, Wake, Hartline, Pouncey, and Dolphins hair stylist Paul Soliai. You really dont see any leadership on the team?

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Barry Jackson reported on positional coaches, not Philbin.

Yes I have seen Philbin on the sidelines during a game with a unit.

Ive seen Philbin get on plenty of players during practice, and during Hard Knocks.
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Show me a clip from Hard knocks of Philbin TEACHING a player, not "getting on them", but teaching them. It didn't happen. Please prove me wrong.
 
SkapePhin said:
Show me a clip from Hard knocks of Philbin TEACHING a player, not "getting on them", but teaching them. It didn't happen. Please prove me wrong.
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You can look for your owwn clips buddy. I know what I've seen and saying that Philbin has never provided instruction to any players on the Dolphins is completely ignorant. And in this age of information, your ignorance is a choice.
 
Zounds said:
You can look for your owwn clips buddy. I know what I've seen and saying that Philbin has never provided instruction to any players on the Dolphins is completely ignorant. And in this age of information, your ignorance is a choice.
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That much is true, you are choosing to be ignorant on this matter. It's completely understandable as I too once tried to ignore evidence to the contrary in blind hopes that the Dolphins might some day soon be successful.

You don't even need to show me, just look through all the seasons of hard knocks and you will see for yourself how detached Philbin was from individual players.
 
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