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It's Philbin against the world.

One of the first things I said when JOe and Dawn did Jeff in was that Joe will be next in line and karma's a bitch. And Dawn doesnt like you as much as you think Joe!
 
finfan54 said:
Joe Philbin has officially lost the locker room.

and as they say in fantasy land, that helps no one!
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Let's see how they play Sunday before wet declare the locker room lost. Philbin did himself no favors this week but he hasn't lost the locker room yet.

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If Tannehill somehow plays well and the Dolphins still lose on some botched coaching decision or something, I could see a mutiny coming from the players.

I wrote this back in August in one of the feel-good threads about the "new" Philbin:

They'll appreciate the "new side" of Joe Philbin for as long as the team is winning. If they start out losing, the players will view all this stuff as cornball. That's just the way it is. A coach's perception among players is tied to the success of the team.

Wanny, Sparano tried similar approaches in their "lame duck" years but it didn't change the result on the field.

Good luck to Joe though, I hope it works out and we make the playoffs.

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?355967-USA-Today-Dolphins-appreciate-new-side-of-Joe-Philbin
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Players can sense a phony, and Joe Philbin is a genuine phony.
 
andyahs said:
Let's see how they play Sunday before wet declare the locker room lost. Philbin did himself no favors this week but he hasn't lost the locker room yet.

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well he sure hasnt won anyone over. There is plently of blame to go around but if it dont get fixed, which IMO will be too little too late or fall short once again, it will all come back to this week.

and btw, those who bring up Incog/Martin, that is absolutely not on Philbin. That was all Martins fault.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
That's the last worry on my mind. If this actually breaks the QB, then Joe will have done us a favor by showing to us that he wasn't mentally tough enough to deal with it. I don't think the QB is going to break mentally.

I think Joe Philbin is on the fast track to locker room turmoil, though.
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Tannehill has been coddled and handed the keys to the car since his rookie season. Its time he puts up or shuts up. He is the one who has placed Philbin in an unenviable position.
A coach's career lives or dies by the decisions made with the QB position. Belichick was a failure in Cleveland and only became a genius after he stumbled upon Brady. Sometimes you need a little luck.
Wannstadt sealed his fate by his faith in Fiedler rather than drafting Brees. Saban bet on Culpepper rather than Brees or drafting Rodgers.
Philbin knows his fate is tied to RT's. He and the coaching staff have tried the nurturing approach for 2 yrs and where has it gotten them? Maybe a new approach is in order. This is not unlike Bill Parcells' treatment of Phil Simms early in his career. Simms has stated numerous times that his relationship with BP was strained at times.
Some fans and media have made way too much of this. For some, its because they have never liked Philbin and see this as an issue to exploit.
 
phinman1 said:
Putting heat on an NFL QB publicly may work, if nothing else has. If you did it to an employee of your "large company", no one would give a crap.
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Well I see it differently ...

If nothing else has worked and this is what you need to resort to, well you aren't much of a leader. When you need to call someone out publically to get results - to shame or embarrass someone into performing - that tells me the leader is ineffective. And if this strategy does work, it tells me that player isn't worth the teams time, effort and money.
 
dolphinheel said:
Yes, all the players have been alienated because they know how they will be treated going forward. That this leader will not treat them with respect either. You can see if I'm correct by how they respond on the field and how former players respond in the media. You can see if I'm correct if the players are outwardly complaining about play calls (see the end of the 1st half in Buffalo or the criticism of the defensive gameplan after KC.)

Let me clue you in to how the world works. There is a standard for leadership, which applies to all companies and all organizations. There can be different leaders and different leadership styles, but the standards are the same. You treat everyone with respect, and that is not happening. You take responsibility for things when they go bad and credit when they go well. That is not Joe Philbin.

I think this quote is apropos for this moment. Mods, by quoting someone else then it cannot be construed as a personal attack.

"It's one thing to be a fool, it's another to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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Trust me, don't need you to tell me how the world works. That fact is easily discerned from your posts.
 
GreenMts said:
Well I see it differently ...

If nothing else has worked and this is what you need to resort to, well you aren't much of a leader. When you need to call someone out publically to get results - to shame or embarrass someone into performing - that tells me the leader is ineffective. And if this strategy does work, it tells me that player isn't worth the teams time, effort and money.
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To your point--a great leader is a uniter and not a divider, and has his hand on the pulse of his organization. A great leader would not let his young QB twist in the wind like this. This describes Joe Philbin and Steve Ross. Philbin is like the guy who just can't dance. He tries to keep time with the music but he looks uncomfortable and out of step with everyone around him. If Philbin continues to make these gaffes and continues to have a deaf ear to his team and the fan base, he will be gone sooner than later. I have believed all along that he is learning on the job, but the biggest problem is that he rarely learns from his mistakes and continues to make them over and over. Like others have said on here, and I totally believe it, when you switch systems a young QB is going to take time. Add to that the mess on the o-line, the injuries, the dropped balls, the lack of a consistent running game and you have a QB who is tentative. He wasn't that way when he got here. He looks like he's over-thinking and cannot escape all the noise in his head. I believe he will turn it around but it may be too late to salvage the season and save Philbin's job.
 
GreenMts said:
Well I see it differently ...

If nothing else has worked and this is what you need to resort to, well you aren't much of a leader. When you need to call someone out publically to get results - to shame or embarrass someone into performing - that tells me the leader is ineffective. And if this strategy does work, it tells me that player isn't worth the teams time, effort and money.
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He never called him out publicly, he just didnt give him a ringing endorsement. Recall, immediately after the game, many in the media and many fans were questioning RT's future as a starter. His last 5 starts support those assessments and I'm sure many on the coaching staff are getting frustrated with him. He hasnt EARNED any ringing endorsements.
In contrast, Lazor's comments sound patronizing towards the fans.
While Philbin shouldnt be immune from criticism, this issue isn't one of them.

I think this is a non issue
 
jlfin said:
He never called him out publicly, he just didnt give him a ringing endorsement. Recall, immediately after the game, many in the media and many fans were questioning RT's future as a starter. His last 5 starts support those assessments and I'm sure many on the coaching staff are getting frustrated with him. He hasnt EARNED any ringing endorsements.
In contrast, Lazor's comments sound patronizing towards the fans.
While Philbin shouldnt be immune from criticism, this issue isn't one of them.

I think this is a non issue
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What Philbin did was a bit moronic IMO. Philbin's fate is tied to RT17's. It seems to be confusing to not publicly support a player like that. The whole team 1st concept IMO was taken too far in this case.

Also the QB is not like any other position. It's the one position that has to be publicly supported by the HC. If not the media will pounce. I'm not sure why he thinks the unwritten rules do not apply to him.
 
ohall said:
What Philbin did was a bit moronic IMO. Philbin's fate is tied to RT17's. It seems to be confusing to not publicly support a player like that. The whole team 1st concept IMO was taken too far in this case.

Also the QB is not like any other position. It's the one position that has to be publicly supported by the HC. If not the media will pounce. I'm not sure why he thinks the unwritten rules do not apply to him.
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The media had already pounced, simply because RT has played poorly. Philbin is simply stating the obvious. Anything else and he would look insincere. Everyone can see it and Philbin knows.
I was a big supporter of RT going into this season, but quite frankly he's had a pretty long honeymoon period from the fans. The team and the fans have embraced him from the day he was drafted. They have been patient with him and treated him like an entitled prince. Unfortunately, professional sports is very tough and not very forgiving. At some point a playerhas to earn their status and play up to the standards expected of them. Its time for accountability.
Coddling and nurturing him has not brought out the best in him, maybe a little adversity will. Maybe nothing will, simply because he's destined to be a mediocre NFL QB/career backup. I can't predict his future at this point.
 
jlfin said:
The media had already pounced, simply because RT has played poorly. Philbin is simply stating the obvious. Anything else and he would look insincere. Everyone can see it and Philbin knows.
I was a big supporter of RT going into this season, but quite frankly he's had a pretty long honeymoon period from the fans. The team and the fans have embraced him from the day he was drafted. They have been patient with him and treated him like an entitled prince. Unfortunately, professional sports is very tough and not very forgiving. At some point a playerhas to earn their status and play up to the standards expected of them. Its time for accountability.
Coddling and nurturing him has not brought out the best in him, maybe a little adversity will. Maybe nothing will, simply because he's destined to be a mediocre NFL QB/career backup. I can't predict his future at this point.
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The media is not calling for MAtt Moore to start it speculated as soon as Philbn was non committal. The only people that see Moore as any kind of upgrade are on the board.
 
I don't think it's 'coddling' the quarterback to name him the starter when you are already planning to start him and aren't even going to give a single first team rep to the backup during the week. The fact that the QB already came out and said "I'm starting" means there is absolutely no freaking reason on Earth not to simply say "Yeah, he's starting."

This is just a case of the coach being tone-deaf, that's why people are so upset. Joe Philbin is either TRYING to create a distraction for the team because he saw that they actually played better during Bullygate last season, or he's just digging his heels in to be stubborn for stubborn's sake. As for the idea that Joe doesn't name starters at any position, that's BOGUS. He named the starting right guard a few weeks ago when asked about it.

Tannehill needs to play better? Agree. Tannehill shouldn't be coddled? Agree. If this 'breaks' Tannehill he is mentally weak and not fit to be an NFL starting QB? Agree.

But this is still just bizarre mismanagement by Joe Philbin UNLESS this is indeed some kind of Machiavellian plan he's put in place to motivate the team.
 
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