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J-Off's 2024 OT's

Stoobz said:
This OT class has a LOT of great RTs.

I wonder do we dare take one and have AJax go back to LT...
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He finally found a home on the right side so i don't think I would move him.

I think Mims or Fautanu or Guyton or Morgan could all play on the left side.

I would guess they played LT in HS and should not be set in their ways to not be able to move back.

Hell, Mims has played less than 10 games at RT to begin with.

I think Latham and Paul would struggle to move more than the others.
 
Day 1: Mims, Alt (True OTs); Rosengarten, Suamataia (general OL)
Day 2 talents: Frank Crum, Olu Fashanu, Tyler Guyton, (true OT); Christian Jones (general OL)
 
dolfan91 said:
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Fautanu had a great combine. 34.5" arms, 5.01 40 (5th among all OL), 1.71 10yd split (3rd), 33" vertical. Looked great in on field drills - very smooth, but explosive. Only thing is he's 6'3 1/2" - perfect for a guard, but would be one of the shortest LT's in the league. Still, a starting LG, and LT in a pinch doesn't sound bad. Neither does a Rashawn Slater type.
 
LargoFin said:
Day 1: Mims, Alt (True OTs); Rosengarten, Suamataia (general OL)
Day 2 talents: Frank Crum, Olu Fashanu, Tyler Guyton, (true OT); Christian Jones (general OL)
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Your evals are always interesting... and waaaaay out of the box.

When you rate a guy like Rosengarten (who will likely fall into round three or so), and Crum (a guy who most have listed as late day 3) so highly... It makes me wonder... "Do you think that NFL teams should draft purely on size and combine measurements? Or do you see any value on how these guys have performed in actual games?
 
Feverdream said:
Your evals are always interesting... and waaaaay out of the box.

When you rate a guy like Rosengarten (who will likely fall into round three or so), and Crum (a guy who most have listed as late day 3) so highly... It makes me wonder... "Do you think that NFL teams should draft purely on size and combine measurements? Or do you see any value on how these guys have performed in actual games?
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Teams should almost exclusively draft based on measurements. There is room for tape watching and coaches' input, but only after the measurements are satisfied.

For example, Tanor Bartolini is the only center worthy of Day 1 conversation. JPJ did not test, therefore he is undraftable, and nowhere near Day 1 conversation. Or to make the point even more drastic, Marvin Harrison Jr. did not test, he is undraftable.
 
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LargoFin said:
Teams should almost exclusively draft based on measurements. There is room for tape watching and coaches' input, but only after the measurements are satisfied.

For example, Tanor Bartolini is the only center worthy of Day 1 conversation. JPJ did not test, therefore he is undraftable, and nowhere near Day 1 conversation. Or to make the point even more drastic, Marvin Harrison Jr. did not test, he is undraftable.
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So... by your definition... Bartolini and Crum will be successful players in the NFL... and JPJ and Harrison will not?
 
Feverdream said:
So... by your definition... Bartolini and Crum will be successful players in the NFL... and JPJ and Harrison will not?
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No. Bartolini and Crum will be successful with almost 100% certainty, we know that. We do not know about JPJ and Harrison, they did not test. It's about knowing and not guessing. When they test we know, and when they do not test we do not know.
 
How do 'we know this'?

There are guys who excel at the combine, then fail badly every year.
 
Feverdream said:
How do 'we know this'?

There are guys who excel at the combine, then fail badly every year.
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We know it from history, and no they do not fail badly, but there are outliers always. (Some positions like QB ad WR also depend on production in college. Also, for QBs, picking a QB has nothing to do with whether he will be great, it's not a pure projection because we have no idea who will be great.)
 
LargoFin said:
We know it from history, and no they do not fail badly, but there are outliers always. (Some positions like QB ad WR also depend on production in college. Also, for QBs, picking a QB has nothing to do with whether he will be great, it's not a pure projection because we have no idea who will be great.)
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As a 'for instance', I looked up your choices from last year. I didn't dig very far, but a number of them didn't produce much at all.

Your first round grades DEs were Dexter, White, and Adebawore
Your Edges were Diaby and Anderson.

The Edges did pretty well, but none of your DEs did much (btw, they were drafted in rounds 2, 2, and 4).

I think your are overreacting to size/speed ratios and performances on the track. These areas are just part of an evaluation.

Intelligence, instincts, being open to coaching... all matter too, although they are hard to quantify.
 
Feverdream said:
As a 'for instance', I looked up your choices from last year. I didn't dig very far, but a number of them didn't produce much at all.

Your first round grades DEs were Dexter, White, and Adebawore
Your Edges were Diaby and Anderson.

The Edges did pretty well, but none of your DEs did much (btw, they were drafted in rounds 2, 2, and 4).

I think your are overreacting to size/speed ratios and performances on the track. These areas are just part of an evaluation.

Intelligence, instincts, being open to coaching... all matter too, although they are hard to quantify.
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I am very happy with last year's defensive ranking and offensive ranking for that matter. I would not change a thing.

My Prospect Rankings Draft 2023 - DEFENSE

Same as for the offense, the list is based on incomplete information as far all the prospects who tested and the publicly available data. This ranking like every year for me is heavily based on frame and athleticism, and players are sorted by draft day one, two or three, or sometimes per round...
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My Prospect Rankings Draft 2023 - OFFENSE

I was hoping to put in the time to analyze the pro day results after the combine and come up with a better list but I did not do that. Therefore, this list is based on incomplete information as far all the prospect who tested and the publicly available data, but I am okay with that. It is what...
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Then I suspect that you are just not open to information that contradicts your belief system...

But thanks for answering.
 
Feverdream said:
Then I suspect that you are just not open to information that contradicts your belief system...

But thanks for answering.
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I am interested, but it has to be someone who did not make my list, tested during the process, and then performed well in the league, but I missed him. So that I can check what the problem is, otherwise, no, I am not open to so called information.
 
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