J-off's Sideways Board For Miami

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  1. j-off-her-doll

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    Few notes:

    * This is a board specifically for Miami with a focus on how the players fit scheme, as well as their value to the team.

    * I left question marks for White and Bush, because they're the types of talents you want to make work, but it'd require a shift in responsibilities from what Flores asked of his LB's in NE

    * The draft grades take into account positional value and value to Miami at this stage in their rebuild. Defensive players take a hit, because Miami should be building with the 2020 QB in mind.

    * The groupings are more important than the rankings.

    * You can make a case for CB's 1-7 as CB1. All have warts and a lot to like.

    * The draft is typically thin at OL, but 2019 does seem particularly light. After the 8 OL with Top 40 grades, it gets sketchy pretty quick.

    * :cheers:

    QB

    Top 10

    1. Kyler Murray

    1st Round

    2. Dwayne Haskins

    3rd/4th

    3. Will Grier
    4. Drew Lock

    5th-7th

    5. Ryan Finley
    6. Jordan Ta'amu
    7. Easton Stick
    8. Tyree Jackson

    RB

    3rd/4th

    1. Darrell Henderson
    2. Alex Barnes

    4th-7th

    3. Justice Hill
    4. Trayveon Williams
    5. Ty Johnson
    6. Miles Sanders
    7. Josh Jacobs
    8. David Montgomery
    9. Devine Ozigbo
    10. Damien Harris
    11. Myles Gaskin
    12. James Williams
    13. Mike Weber
    14. Rodney Anderson

    WR

    Top 40

    1. N'Keal Harry
    2. AJ Brown

    2nd/3rd

    3. Andy Isabella
    4. DK Metcalf

    3rd

    5. Hakeem Butler

    3rd/4th

    6. Emanuel Hall
    7. Deebo Samuel
    8. Stanley Morgan Jr
    9. Hollywood Brown
    10. JJ Arcega-Whiteside

    TE

    Top 40

    1. TJ Hockenson
    2. Noah Fant

    3rd

    3. Foster Moreau

    3rd/4th

    4. Kehale Warring
    5. Drew Sample
    6. Dawson Knox
    7. Josh Oliver
    8. Irv Smith Jr

    OT

    Top 10

    1. Andre Dillard

    Top 40

    2. Jawaan Taylor

    3rd/4th

    3. Yosuah Nijman
    4. Kaleb McGrary
    5 . Tyler Roemer

    OG

    Top 20

    1. Chris Lindstrom

    Top 40

    2. Jonah Williams
    3. Dalton Risner
    4. Cody Ford

    3rd/4th

    5. Nate Davis
    6. Chuma Edoga

    C

    Top 20

    1. Erik McCoy

    Top 40

    2. Garrett Bradbury

    3rd

    3. Elgton Jenkins

    DT

    Top 10

    1. Quinnen Williams
    2. Ed Oliver

    Top 40

    3. Jeffery Simmons
    4. Jerry Tillery

    2nd/3rd

    5. Christian Wilkins
    6. Dexter Lawrence

    4th-7th

    7. Cortez Broughton
    8. Armon Watts
    9. Dre'Mont Jones
    10. Daylon Mack
    11. Khalen Saunders
    12. Daniel Wise
    13. Kingsley Keke
    14. Greg Gaines
    15. Marquis Copeland

    DE

    Top 40

    1. Montez Sweat
    2. Rashan Gary
    3. Charles Omenihu
    4. Anthony Nelson

    2nd/3rd

    5. Clelin Ferrell

    4th-7th

    6. John Cominsky
    7. LJ Collier
    8. Zach Allen
    9. Joe Jackson

    OLB

    Top 20

    1. Josh Allen
    2. Brian Burns

    Top 40

    3. Ben Banogu

    3rd/4th

    4. Maxx Crosby
    5. Justin Hollins
    6. Chase Winovich

    4th-7th

    7. D'Andre Walker
    8. Andrew Van Ginkel

    Speed LB

    ??

    1. Devin White
    2. Devin Bush

    3rd/4th

    3. Germaine Pratt

    4th-7th

    4. Ben Burr-Kirven
    5. Blake Cashman

    CB

    2nd/3rd

    1. Julian Love
    2. Deandre Baker
    3. Jamel Dean
    4. Byron Murphy
    5. Greedy Williams
    6. Justin Layne
    7. Amani Oruwariye

    3rd/4th

    8. David Long
    9. Isaiah Johnson
    10. Sean Bunting
    11. Kris Boyd
    12. Joejuan Williams
    13. Iman Marshall

    Safety

    Top 40

    1. Darnell Savage
    2. Juan Thornhill
    3. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson

    3rd/4th

    4. Mike Edwards
    5. Amani Hooker
    6. Nassir Adderley
    7. Jonathan Abraham
     
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    Fantastic!
     
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    Some interesting stuff in there
    Irv Smith the 8th ranked TE?
    Wilkins a 2nd Round grade?
    Jacobs the 7th best RB?
    Greedy Williams the 5th best CB?

    Would love to get that value on some of these guys.
    1-Haskins/Gary/Ferrell/Jonah Williams
    2-Wilkins or Williams
    3-BA
    4-Smith or Jacobs
     
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  4. j-off-her-doll

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    Thank you!

    Appreciate the questions. I'm lower on those players than most. Irv Smith Jr is pretty good - have him as a fringe Day 2 player. But, he's small for the position and not very athletic. The hope is that he's Jordan Reed (minus the injuries), but imo it's more likely that he ends up being a rotational TE in the NFL. Miami in particular needs a TE to pair with Gesicki, which means it needs a guy who can thrive attached to the line. The TE's ahead of him are either better blockers and better athletes or better athletes with frames more conducive to playing on the line. Back in October or November, Slimm pointed out Hockenson and Moreau as the types of TE's Miami should be targeting, and, as usual, he nailed it.

    Wilkins is good, too. As I mentioned in the notes, defensive players take a hit, because Miami needs to build the OL and add some weapons for the 2020 QB. The DT's (only 4) listed ahead of Wilkins are more dynamic and project as players who will have a greater impact on opposing QB's.

    Jacobs has a well-rounded game, but I'm always skeptical of players who were never "the guy" in college. Kamara was so dynamic, and such a good receiver, that he was undeniable, but I don't see that in Jacobs. I see a guy who will do everything well and nothing great. There's value in that, and I could rank him as high as RB3 without doubting it too hard, but iirc, Jacobs posted 1 rush over 20 yards in 2018. I prefer the breakaway ability of guys like Hill, Johnson, and Sanders.

    Greedy has a case for CB1, but I doubt he's what Miami wants in a CB. During Flores' last few years in NE, they have favored thickness over length, and tackling has always been very important to BB. I have to imagine that it's important to Flores, too. Greedy is both thin and an inconsistent tackler.
     
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    Thanks for taking the time bro. One question. I gather you're not very high on Terrill Hanks?
     
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    Appreciate the interest!

    Risk/reward for a small-school LB who didn't run well/didn't run - depending on how you want to count it - who has some clear holes in his game just doesn't add up for me.
     
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    Seeing Mccoy ahead of bradberry makes me wonder where do you rank those two in terms of prospects compared to Mike pouncey coming out of college??
     
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    Well done. I found it interesting that Devin Bush is visiting the Dolphins today.
     
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    Think McCoy is better and Bradbury is in his range. McCoy's ability to anchor sets him apart imo. Both are better athletes than Pouncey.
     
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    We made history selecting pouncey that high if i remember correctly. Do you see any centers going higher this year than when we took pouncey?
     
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    Drew Lock is a 4th rounder?!?!

    He's elite dude.
     
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    I may not agree with some of your rankings, but I can appreciate someone that ranks players with disregard for what other people think. Nice job
     
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    I've come to agree with you about Erik McCoy taking a slight edge on Garrett Bradbury. Although they're both so good I'm not sure it matters.
     
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    To me that is what makes j off better than the rest. I can't stand ppl who only negatively critique everyone else's work but never show their own.
     
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    Appreciate it! Curious to see what they want with Bush. Toward the end of 2018, NE was only playing their sub-250 LB like 1/3 of the time, and Miami already has Baker.

    I doubt any Centers go Top 20. One could go in the 20s, though.
     
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