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Jason Cole: Tom Gamble said to be Ross' top pick for GM

I think I'd be comfortable with all those guys mentioned in this thread. Heck, it's going to be an improvement over Ireland no matter who we hire.
 
TheWalrus said:
It's worth noting that the last two teams Gamble worked for -- San Fran and Philly -- are heavily into analytics. Also, somehow I'd missed that Gamble spent time as a coach. I love to see that, personally. One of the main attractions of a guy like Nick Caserio of the Patriots is that he's coached, then went into scouting, then back into coaching, and then back to scouting again.
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What exactly is analytics? Like PFF kinda stuff? Also do you think Philbin is 100% safe? GM has no say so in new coach?
 
futurescout said:
What exactly is analytics? Like PFF kinda stuff? Also do you think Philbin is 100% safe? GM has no say so in new coach?
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here's a couple links explaining their approach, pretty cool stuff. I stumbled upon them earlier when researching Gamble after his name got floated

http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/4/24/4260762/49ers-nfl-draft-2013-sap-scouting-database

http://searchsap.techtarget.com/news/2240178808/49ers-scout-for-better-football-players-with-SAP-analytics
 
futurescout said:
What exactly is analytics? Like PFF kinda stuff? Also do you think Philbin is 100% safe? GM has no say so in new coach?
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Sorta. Probably closer to what Football Outsiders does. Think Moneyball, if you've seen that. Basically using statistical formulas as a supplement to traditional scouting.

I wouldn't say Philbin is 100% safe -- and I have no special knowledge or insight about it -- but I doubt he would have agreed to fire one of his oldest friends if he wasn't given assurances that by doing so he was completely safe.

As for the GM, it seems like he will have no say this year. Next year, though, would be a different deal. And that's not the worst thing. Certainly it's not a totally unusual thing. It's not unheard of for a GM to come in, evaluate the head coach for a year, and then be given the latitude to fire the coach if things aren't working and hire one of his guys. Personally I would prefer to get that **** out of the way and just start over like the Colts did with Grigson and Pagano, but it's not uncommon.
 
TheWalrus said:
Sorta. Probably closer to what Football Outsiders does. Think Moneyball, if you've seen that. Basically using statistical formulas as a supplement to traditional scouting.

I wouldn't say Philbin is 100% safe -- and I have no special knowledge or insight about it -- but I doubt he would have agreed to fire one of his oldest friends if he wasn't given assurances that by doing so he was completely safe.

As for the GM, it seems like he will have no say this year. Next year, though, would be a different deal. And that's not the worst thing. Certainly it's not a totally unusual thing. It's not unheard of for a GM to come in, evaluate the head coach for a year, and then be given the latitude to fire the coach if things aren't working and hire one of his guys. Personally I would prefer to get that **** out of the way and just start over like the Colts did with Grigson and Pagano, but it's not uncommon.
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Oh god, i can already see shouright reaction:

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For some reason I read "Tom Cable" (Oakland Coach) I'm like no wtf!
 
Tom Gamble becoming GM would probably make it more likely that Malzahn became head coach next year than it would be if other guys got the GM job. The last two places Gamble worked featured college coaches who came to the NFL, both of them successfully. In Chip Kelly's case, he was a controversial guy -- as Malzahn will be -- because people questioned whether the "system" would translate.

Of course, that whole thing would depend on the Dolphins having a mediocre to sub mediocre season next year and Philbin getting fired (which is usually how these inherited coaches end up after a new GM is brought in. Rex Ryan was the exception last year). Not to rain of everyone's post Ireland firing bliss, but I think we're probably in for a rocky year next year.
 
There is nothing that says Philbin will be the coach next season. Ross may leave that up to the incoming GM, a move he should leave on the table.
 
Gamble would definitely be an upgrade over Ireland. That guy knows how to get talent.
 
Philbin may get one more year under the new GM we will have to wait and see.. possible scenarios here are:



1: The New GM will only come on board if Philbin goes - so he does

2: Ross tells the new GM he has to work with Philbin for at least the next season and if they miss the playoffs he can fire him and bring in his guy

3: The 'report' comes out and Philbin is fired anyway.

4: GM hired within the organisation (Gaines) and so Philbin gets another year or 2 ..



Whatever happens Miami and it's fans should prob not expact anything but a rocky year ahead in 2014 and then depending on the new HC a rocky 2015 with potential being realised hopefully in 2016
 
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