Jeff Ireland's Revenge: We Have Tannehill Instead of Wilson

[AgentXof12]

If I am on ignore how are you seeing my posts? No I won't comply, when I see something I want to respond to I will.

LOL

I still enjoy your posts, nyjunc. I don't really agree with your assertion that Tannehill cost Miami the playoffs, but then that could be down to communication issues. Surely, you don't believe Tannehill was the only thing holding Miami back, and likewise I wouldn't expect that you think Russell Wilson would make ALL the difference here.

I just wish this fanbase could recognize what few positives there are on the team. There is no QB controversy. We have a guy we can stick with and probably do well in the playoffs with at some point down the road. Even Eli Manning has a couple of super bowl rings. Eli... Manning...

 

[13marino13]

It's the middle of the fourth quarter in the Super Bowl and one thing is incredibly clear. Russell Wilson has played an absolutely perfect game. His performance has been dominant. And the worse part of it? Jeff Ireland has his revenge. While the Seahawks are set for their franchise quarterback for the next decade, we have to live with a 15-17 question mark in Ryan Tannehill.

Ireland screwed us twice at quarterback, picking Tannehill over Wilson and Henne over Flacco and Ryan. It will be five to ten years before we can recover from his sabotage of our franchise. Thumbs down to both Ireland and Parcells for Parcell's stupid quarterback selection rules. Forget size, the only rule that matters is to pick a quarterback who has been a winner. Russell Wilson is a winner. And he could have been a Dolphin.

Ireland is laughing all the way to the bank.

Wilson is nothing more than a gatekeeper. Like a Chad Pennington, not great at any one skill, just stays even keel and doesn't make mistakes that lose a game. On the flip side, he's also not going to win you many on his own. I'll take Tannehill, hands down. Not like the rest of the Hawks had anything to do with their success.

 

[Shouright]

Why? Wilson was no better against NO with his season on the line.

Actually he was. His QB rating in that game was 67.6, much higher than the sub-50 ratings Tannehill posted, and it was against a better team than the Dolphins faced in either of its last two games.

 

[13marino13]

These hindsight threads are getting old....

 

[Shouright]

Wilson is nothing more than a gatekeeper. Like a Chad Pennington, not great at any one skill, just stays even keel and doesn't make mistakes that lose a game. On the flip side, he's also not going to win you many on his own. I'll take Tannehill, hands down. Not like the rest of the Hawks had anything to do with their success.

This thread is such the perfect acid test for who can see the team with a critical, balanced eye, and who is simply a biased homer.

 

[13marino13]

This thread is such the perfect acid test for who can see the team with a critical, balanced eye, and who is simply a biased homer.

Would Russell have enjoyed the same success if he were our QB? That's what I thought....Two different supporting cast's, They had a running game and a defense.

 

[roy_miami]

Wilson is nothing more than a gatekeeper. Like a Chad Pennington, not great at any one skill, just stays even keel and doesn't make mistakes that lose a game. On the flip side, he's also not going to win you many on his own.

How do you measure that and which QBs do win many games on their own?

 

[Shouright]

Would Russell have enjoyed the same success if he were our QB? That's what I thought....Two different supporting cast's, They had a running game and a defense.

So does the QB affect the rest of the team, or does that relationship work in only one direction, where only the rest of the team affects the QB?

 

[JDRA20]

On another note Dave Wannstedt is a joke! We could've had Brady in the 5th round! We would've won 7 Superbowls! Lebron would sign with the Dolphins and be the best tight end EVER!

 

[13marino13]

So does the QB affect the rest of the team, or does that relationship work in only one direction, where only the rest of the team affects the QB?

You can't be serious, did you watch our running offense this year. I believe we finished 32nd in rushing, do you really think Wilson would have had an effect on this trainwreck? Get real. How about defensive stats, Seattle has been better than Miami in just about every major statistical category, this year. Last time I checked, Wilson was only playing on one side of the ball. The point is 1 man does not make a team, if it did, Marino would have had about 6 rings. I'm not saying he is bad, he is a good player, I just think your giving him too much credit for the TEAMS success. There is no way on God's green earth he would have made a lick of difference on our team. So no, I'm not a homer. Tannehill just needs some help.

 

[Vaark]

Guess Pete Carroll does know QBs after all. Saw Wilson's upside as the real deal within a few weeks in TC, while at the same time after a couple of years coaching buttfumble, declared him "not ready for prime time" (which as it turns out could well have been a euphemism for "not fit for the big time.") Then again, if one former jets GM (still a club exec), Terry Bradway who wanted to draft Wilson was in place rather than the most recent defunct GM, we'd be having to figure him to 2X a year. ( I mean, come on now, he'd be replacing buttfumble which was a no-brainer) Time will tell whether this brainfart ranks up there with drafting the mighty Ken O'Brien and passing on Marino.

During last year's draft season, Bradway's view on the incoming quarterback class was clear. He wanted Russell Wilson. Bradway talked about Wilson so much that the Wisconsin product was called "Russell Bradway" inside the Jets' building, defensive coordinator Mike Pettine told The Star-Ledger.

 

[Shouright]

Would Russell have enjoyed the same success if he were our QB? That's what I thought....Two different supporting cast's, They had a running game and a defense.

You can't be serious, did you watch our running offense this year. I believe we finished 32nd in rushing, do you really think Wilson would have had an effect on this trainwreck? Get real. How about defensive stats, Seattle has been better than Miami in just about every major statistical category, this year. Last time I checked, Wilson was only playing on one side of the ball. The point is 1 man does not make a team, if it did, Marino would have had about 6 rings. I'm not saying he is bad, he is a good player, I just think your giving him too much credit for the TEAMS success. There is no way on God's green earth he would have made a lick of difference on our team. So no, I'm not a homer. Tannehill just needs some help.

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[FightingPhins]

Actually he was. His QB rating in that game was 67.6, much higher than the sub-50 ratings Tannehill posted, and it was against a better team than the Dolphins faced in either of its last two games.

Yes, I'm sure the great field position and turnovers that Seattle was able to generate had nothing to do with Wilson's better QBR...

 

[Shouright]

Yes, I'm sure the great field position and turnovers that Seattle was able to generate had nothing to do with Wilson's better QBR...

Or perhaps his better QB rating had something to do with what the team did elsewhere.

Some people here are so stuck trying to explain away Ryan Tannehill's play by attributing it to the rest of the team that they can't even see that these relationships between the QB and the other players are bidirectional. It's as if the QB is just a puppet of the other players, propped up or downtrodden by them, with no effect on them of his own, and no individual ability of his own. He's completely at the mercy of what's going on around him, powerless to have any influence on it with his own ability.

 

[YungRobbin]

Or perhaps his better QB rating had something to do with what the team did elsewhere.

Some people here are so stuck trying to explain away Ryan Tannehill's play by attributing it to the rest of the team that they can't even see that these relationships between the QB and the other players are bidirectional. It's as if the QB is just a puppet of the other players, propped up or downtrodden by them, with no effect on them of his own, and no individual ability of his own. He's completely at the mercy of what's going on around him, powerless to have any influence on it with his own ability.

Or maybe some people are too fixated on stats. If these stats are are so accurate why even play a season, crunch your numbers and tell me whose going to win the big game next year so I can head to vegas.

I don't care what the numbers say because numbers LIE. Peyton Manning set the all time record for completed passes in a superbowl, Thomas caught more receptions than ANYONE in super bowl history and the Broncos gained MORE first downs than Seattle. Seattle won by damn near 50. Numbers can be used but only in the right context, not when they are used to push an agenda or to mislead.