Jeff Ireland's Revenge: We Have Tannehill Instead of Wilson

[Shouright]

Or maybe some people are too fixated on stats. If these stats are are so accurate why even play a season, crunch your numbers and tell me whose going to win the big game next year so I can head to vegas.

I don't care what the numbers say because numbers LIE. Peyton Manning set the all time record for completed passes in a superbowl, Thomas caught more receptions than ANYONE in super bowl history and the Broncos gained MORE first downs than Seattle. Seattle won by damn near 50. Numbers can be used but only in the right context, not when they are used to push an agenda or to mislead.

What I said in the post below has nothing to do with stats.

Or perhaps his better QB rating had something to do with what the team did elsewhere.

Some people here are so stuck trying to explain away Ryan Tannehill's play by attributing it to the rest of the team that they can't even see that these relationships between the QB and the other players are bidirectional. It's as if the QB is just a puppet of the other players, propped up or downtrodden by them, with no effect on them of his own, and no individual ability of his own. He's completely at the mercy of what's going on around him, powerless to have any influence on it with his own ability.

 

[mrbunglez]

What I said in the post below has nothing to do with stats.

Thing is all you do is bash Tannehill with stats trying to explain how mediocre he is and not blaming any other player on the team. Maybe if you spread the wealth of hate to other deficiencies that this team has and not be totally biased and blame the QB all the time, people would take you more seriously.

 

[Shouright]

Thing is all you do is bash Tannehill with stats trying to explain how mediocre he is and not blaming any other player on the team. Maybe if you spread the wealth of hate to other deficiencies that this team has and not be totally biased and blame the QB all the time, people would take you more seriously.

As I've said before, the QB could be the least blameworthy player on the team (theoretically), and if he isn't playing adequately individually, it hardly matters. His individual play still needs to improve to an adequate level for the team to have a high likelihood of being competitive in the league.

It makes little sense to focus on other areas of the team when the cornerstone of NFL competitiveness still isn't place. Why put the cart before the horse.

 

[jason_taylor]

they would not have reached a SB w/ him.

YOU PEOPLE KEEP THINKING THAT , Tannehill can make throws that Wilson CANT and has a stronger arm than Wilson , everybody has there own oppion and ive watched enoygh Football 25+ YEARS TO KNOW which QB is the best and no its not homer either , and once Miami gets an OL and he gets his rythem down with Wallace you guys WILL BE CHANGING YOUR OPPIONS AS WELL , JUST WATCH ....

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Or maybe some people are too fixated on stats. If these stats are are so accurate why even play a season, crunch your numbers and tell me whose going to win the big game next year so I can head to vegas.

Well, you could have used the YPPA Differential playoff system that I gave out many years ago on this site and other sites. It went 7-2 this year, 6-3 last year and I can't even remember the last losing season. Granted you have to get good spreads to hit those percentages but even with the worst number ever available it's still a winning system. I don't hide the criteria -- half yard or greater difference based on the Bud Goode numbers, the so-called Killer Stat.

Happy adjusters can't threaten results like that because they don't want to believe in YPA, which is the basis of the system. They invent variables of their own and don't know how to interpret the actual variables. Unlike j-off-her-doll, I didn't forecast a decisive Seattle win yesterday but I had the Seahawks solely due to the system. So relaxing, when I know the criteria involved, that's it's fundamentally sound and will grind a profit in the long run. The adjusters have to scramble to change their focus at all times. It was actually quite rewarding yesterday when Seattle romped because I had read so many Xs and Os types claiming that Denver owned decisive advantages, and that Seattle's secondary wouldn't hold up. Not that it matters. On to the next adjustment...

 

[roy_miami]

Well, you could have used the YPPA Differential playoff system that I gave out many years ago on this site and other sites. It went 7-2 this year, 6-3 last year and I can't even remember the last losing season. Granted you have to get good spreads to hit those percentages but even with the worst number ever available it's still a winning system. I don't hide the criteria -- half yard or greater difference based on the Bud Goode numbers, the so-called Killer Stat.

Happy adjusters can't threaten results like that because they don't want to believe in YPA, which is the basis of the system. They invent variables of their own and don't know how to interpret the actual variables. Unlike j-off-her-doll, I didn't forecast a decisive Seattle win yesterday but I had the Seahawks solely due to the system. So relaxing, when I know the criteria involved, that's it's fundamentally sound and will grind a profit in the long run. The adjusters have to scramble to change their focus at all times. It was actually quite rewarding yesterday when Seattle romped because I had read so many Xs and Os types claiming that Denver owned decisive advantages, and that Seattle's secondary wouldn't hold up. Not that it matters. On to the next adjustment...

Get the scratch while you can because Nate Silver has taken on predicting football outcomes.

 

[13marino13]

I'm still taking Tannehill

 

[twohype]

This will be a great thread years from now when Tannehill is struggling to keep a job as an NFL backup QB and Russell Wilson is viewed as one of the leagues top QBs and perhaps a multiple time SB champion.

What?

 

[nyjunc]

Guess Pete Carroll does know QBs after all. Saw Wilson's upside as the real deal within a few weeks in TC, while at the same time after a couple of years coaching buttfumble, declared him "not ready for prime time" (which as it turns out could well have been a euphemism for "not fit for the big time.") Then again, if one former jets GM (still a club exec), Terry Bradway who wanted to draft Wilson was in place rather than the most recent defunct GM, we'd be having to figure him to 2X a year. ( I mean, come on now, he'd be replacing buttfumble which was a no-brainer) Time will tell whether this brainfart ranks up there with drafting the mighty Ken O'Brien and passing on Marino.

welcome back vaark! how come you left after the late season collapse?

Wilson played evry postseason sanchez like so if you liked his play then that should tell you something.

YOU PEOPLE KEEP THINKING THAT , Tannehill can make throws that Wilson CANT and has a stronger arm than Wilson , everybody has there own oppion and ive watched enoygh Football 25+ YEARS TO KNOW which QB is the best and no its not homer either , and once Miami gets an OL and he gets his rythem down with Wallace you guys WILL BE CHANGING YOUR OPPIONS AS WELL , JUST WATCH ....

Ryan leaf has a stronger arm too, a strong arm is nice but there is so much more to playing QB than a strong arm.

Wilson's OL was similar to Miami's, the difference is Wilson made them look better while your QB just kept taking sacks.

I am not saying Ryan can't get better but he's nowhere near Wilson at this moment. There's not a GM in the league who would prefer Ryan to Wilson.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Well, you could have used the YPPA Differential playoff system that I gave out many years ago on this site and other sites. It went 7-2 this year, 6-3 last year and I can't even remember the last losing season. Granted you have to get good spreads to hit those percentages but even with the worst number ever available it's still a winning system. I don't hide the criteria -- half yard or greater difference based on the Bud Goode numbers, the so-called Killer Stat.

Happy adjusters can't threaten results like that because they don't want to believe in YPA, which is the basis of the system. They invent variables of their own and don't know how to interpret the actual variables. Unlike j-off-her-doll, I didn't forecast a decisive Seattle win yesterday but I had the Seahawks solely due to the system. So relaxing, when I know the criteria involved, that's it's fundamentally sound and will grind a profit in the long run. The adjusters have to scramble to change their focus at all times. It was actually quite rewarding yesterday when Seattle romped because I had read so many Xs and Os types claiming that Denver owned decisive advantages, and that Seattle's secondary wouldn't hold up. Not that it matters. On to the next adjustment...

Who are these happy adjusters you keep referring to? Name one person who has claimed YPPA Differential isn't an effective measure.

 

[YungRobbin]

Well, you could have used the YPPA Differential playoff system that I gave out many years ago on this site and other sites. It went 7-2 this year, 6-3 last year and I can't even remember the last losing season. Granted you have to get good spreads to hit those percentages but even with the worst number ever available it's still a winning system. I don't hide the criteria -- half yard or greater difference based on the Bud Goode numbers, the so-called Killer Stat.

Happy adjusters can't threaten results like that because they don't want to believe in YPA, which is the basis of the system. They invent variables of their own and don't know how to interpret the actual variables. Unlike j-off-her-doll, I didn't forecast a decisive Seattle win yesterday but I had the Seahawks solely due to the system. So relaxing, when I know the criteria involved, that's it's fundamentally sound and will grind a profit in the long run. The adjusters have to scramble to change their focus at all times. It was actually quite rewarding yesterday when Seattle romped because I had read so many Xs and Os types claiming that Denver owned decisive advantages, and that Seattle's secondary wouldn't hold up. Not that it matters. On to the next adjustment...

I wasn't on the site at the time but that does sound interesting. I'm not against stats at all I am all for advanced metrics so long as they are used in the right context. Would you care explain your system in more detail or link me to a more detailed explanation.

 

[dolpns13]

Seattle OL was similar to Miamis? Seattles was middle of the pack, no worse than low 20's, MIami's: it could be argued they were dead last. Why do you have to bring BUTTUMBLE into every freaking conversation

welcome back vaark! how come you left after the late season collapse?

Wilson played evry postseason sanchez like so if you liked his play then that should tell you something.



Ryan leaf has a stronger arm too, a strong arm is nice but there is so much more to playing QB than a strong arm.

Wilson's OL was similar to Miami's, the difference is Wilson made them look better while your QB just kept taking sacks.

I am not saying Ryan can't get better but he's nowhere near Wilson at this moment. There's not a GM in the league who would prefer Ryan to Wilson.

 

[13marino13]

welcome back vaark! how come you left after the late season collapse?

Wilson played evry postseason buttfumble like so if you liked his play then that should tell you something.



Ryan leaf has a stronger arm too, a strong arm is nice but there is so much more to playing QB than a strong arm.

Wilson's OL was similar to Miami's, the difference is Wilson made them look better while your QB just kept taking sacks.

I am not saying Ryan can't get better but he's nowhere near Wilson at this moment. There's not a GM in the league who would prefer Ryan to Wilson.

I bet every GM would prefer Ryan over San chez or Smith.

 

[EricCartman]

This thread is such the perfect acid test for who can see the team with a critical, balanced eye, and who is simply a biased homer.

I wonder what team are you.... LOL

anyway, wonderful thread, so much fail from Shou and WV that is clearly done on purpose, no way some sober person could think that RT/Wison is, alone , a 3-4 game differential.... (imagine if we had A-rodgers, then...we will have the perfetc season II, LOL)
neither is possible that a person is so lame and pathetic to post in a thread just to say that he is blocking people (I mean, who cares? just block some one and go on with your clearly wonderful life)

anyway, Wilson was passed on 2 time from all the League, not really the biggest fault in our super mega former GM (you know, the Boss.... )... the one that WV said was ultra bad (Parcellian, he drafted cornfed!), then very good (no Parcells, filnally drafted a QB), then again bad (I mean, he drafted RT, come on, how could you Mr Ireland?!)

such a joke

take care

 

[nyjunc]

Seattle OL was similar to Miamis? Seattles was middle of the pack, no worse than low 20's, MIami's: it could be argued they were dead last. Why do you have to bring BUTTUMBLE into every freaking conversation

If Wilson dropped back as often as Tannehill he was on pace to be sacked more times which is amazing considering all the sacks he prevented unlike Ryan.

I bet every GM would prefer Ryan over San chez or Smith.

Maybe but Smith badly outplayed Ryan in Ryan's biggest game of his career.