Yup, and it helped derail our season. So remind me how low risk this Percy Harvin trade is?
And your right, i didnt mention his talent. Why? Because what people do off the field directly effects how often they get to step onto the field. Case in point, you mentioned Santonio Holmes. He did quite well in 2010...but what happened after that? What was the end result of that trade? He just turned 30, still in his prime(admittedly the back end of his prime), so where is he? Why did you need to trade for Harvin in the first place?
Past behavior is often indicative of future behavior. Some players, like Brandon Marshall, have done bad things but sincerely attempt to make amends and move forward(and to answer your question, i was in favor of Marshall and did ignore his violent behavior. Then again, that defense is hardly relevant as Roger Goodell was still 3 years away from being publicly eviscerated and athletes who commit violent acts got contract extensions, not suspensions). He succeeded, probably because he recognized the problems and worked to fix them. Harvin? He just keeps doing whatever the **** he wants. High-school, Florida, Vikings, Seahawks. Every single place hes been: same story. Sometimes, people are just scumbags(yes, Richie falls into this category).
Speaking of violent acts, i hope Rex Ryan's quickness has improved since hes lost weight:
What a steal.
kind of hard to derail a season that's already derailed. I mean the team is 1-6.
where do you come up with the jets losing a 2nd round pick? the deal is for a 6th round pick that could become a 4th round pick. this deal is low risk, very high upside for the jets. its completely possible that it doesn't work out, they release him and only give up a 6th round pick. I'm pretty sure the jets aren't in for any guaranteed money here so it really doesn't do much to their cap space if this happens.
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That's like getting an unbelievably great deal on a shiny rebuilt Camaro and not stopping to wonder why the owner is being so anxious and generous - unaware that they could never straighten that bent chassis.
you guy shave misinformation from somewhere. this deal is for a 6th round pick that could, at best, become a 4th round pick.
oh and btw the dolphins aren't too much better
As a Dolphins fan, i can assure you: it can always get worse.
Yup, and it helped derail our season. So remind me how low risk this Percy Harvin trade is?
And your right, i didnt mention his talent. Why? Because what people do off the field directly effects how often they get to step onto the field. Case in point, you mentioned Santonio Holmes. He did quite well in 2010...but what happened after that? What was the end result of that trade? He just turned 30, still in his prime(admittedly the back end of his prime), so where is he? Why did you need to trade for Harvin in the first place?
Past behavior is often indicative of future behavior. Some players, like Brandon Marshall, have done bad things but sincerely attempt to make amends and move forward(and to answer your question, i was in favor of Marshall and did ignore his violent behavior. Then again, that defense is hardly relevant as Roger Goodell was still 3 years away from being publicly eviscerated and athletes who commit violent acts got contract extensions, not suspensions). He succeeded, probably because he recognized the problems and worked to fix them. Harvin? He just keeps doing whatever the **** he wants. High-school, Florida, Vikings, Seahawks. Every single place hes been: same story. Sometimes, people are just scumbags(yes, Richie falls into this category).
Speaking of violent acts, i hope Rex Ryan's quickness has improved since hes lost weight:
What a steal.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...also-spoke-to-browns-buccaneers-about-harvin/According to Peter King of TheMMQB.com, the Seahawks also spoke to the Browns and the Buccaneers about a trade for Harvin. Per King, the Jets ultimately offered the most for Harvin.
If the band of teams had been much broader than those three, someone would have blabbed before a deal in principle had been completed with the Jets. And it’s likely that the Seahawks were selective because they didn’t want to worry about seeing Harvin again on the other side of the field, especially during the postseason.
It seems odd that Tampa would have had interest, given the presence of Leslie Frazier as defensive coordinator of the Bucs. Frazier had a front-row seat for all of the Harvin-induced dysfunction in Minnesota.
Harvin would have been an intriguing addition to the Browns, who eventually will get back Josh Gordon. Those two players combined with the team the Browns already have put together could have resulted in a reunion with the Seahawks in February, at the Super Bowl.
But Harvin could have torn apart the locker room in the process. In the end, that’s a risk only the Jets were sufficiently desperate to assume.
How did Marshall derail your season that year? I'm seriously asking. What did he do? I've also come to understand that half of this league is filled with nut jobs anyway.
What season do the Jets have left for Harvin to derail? They're 1-6 not 6-1. Harvin helps the Jets better evaluate Geno. And i'm not a big Geno fan but it sucks evaluating a guy when you give him very little talent to work with. Sure it might take Harvin a while to learn the system but with Decker, Harvin, Kerley, and Amaro plus a good running game this gives Geno the talent to show significant improvement. If he can.
Holmes production slipped after 2010 and the team struggled, but not because of Holmes. Those teams as a whole were not good. Holmes also spent much of 2012 and 2013 in the trainers room instead of out on the field. I'm not denying that ended up being a bad trade. But you take a chance on the talent, and Harvin is a better player than Holmes was. Of course it could not work out. Holmes didnt long term. But just cause things dont work out with one guy doesn't mean you never take a gamble again.
Jets are setup very well cap wise. They can afford this risk. Seattle was willing to take the risk, so was Minnesota. The guy is clearly a top tier talent.
Richie and Martin played a part in derailing our season. I waited to talk about Marshall until i got to your comments about his behavior later in the post.
Id be less concerned with Harvin learning the playbook(which he wont this season) and more concerned with his quitting. He did it in Minnesota and he did it mid-game last week when the Seahawks played the Cowboys. If Harvin decides the bench is pretty comfy yet again, how does that help Geno?
Holmes was productive...when he wanted a contract. The minute he got that deal, he stopped giving a damn. And here Harvin is, with his new contract. Already benching himself. You can keep bringing up his talent, but there has never been a time when the league has been more focused on violence. Percy is one emotional outburst, apparently something he has issues with, from creating a national scandal. Thats not worth the gamble even when you have a 1-6 record. To say nothing of the contract your taking on for the privilege of that gamble.
Had you traded for, say, Larry Fitzgerald, id be applauding the Jets, though i doubt any mid-season receiver trade would work out well. Harvin? If hes not quitting, hes injured. If hes not injured, hes fighting. If hes not fighting, hes demanding the ball. Enjoy him, because i sure as hell am.
And if it doesnt workout it doesnt workout. You can't deny the guys talent. He's a playmaker. The Jets need playmakers in the worst way. The Jets need guys that can just get open in the worst way. He fills both of those needs, the last one being a basic necessity. I'm ok with taking this chance. We have so much cap room we can afford the hit. If it doesnt work the Jets can move on.
Richie and Martin played a part in derailing our season. I waited to talk about Marshall until i got to your comments about his behavior later in the post.
Id be less concerned with Harvin learning the playbook(which he wont this season) and more concerned with his quitting. He did it in Minnesota and he did it mid-game last week when the Seahawks played the Cowboys. If Harvin decides the bench is pretty comfy yet again, how does that help Geno?
Holmes was productive...when he wanted a contract. The minute he got that deal, he stopped giving a damn. And here Harvin is, with his new contract. Already benching himself. You can keep bringing up his talent, but there has never been a time when the league has been more focused on violence. Percy is one emotional outburst, apparently something he has issues with, from creating a national scandal. Thats not worth the gamble even when you have a 1-6 record. To say nothing of the contract your taking on for the privilege of that gamble.
Had you traded for, say, Larry Fitzgerald, id be applauding the Jets, though i doubt any mid-season receiver trade would work out well. Harvin? If hes not quitting, hes injured. If hes not injured, hes fighting. If hes not fighting, hes demanding the ball. Enjoy him, because i sure as hell am.
Finishing 7-9 may save Rex Ryan's job.For a 6th round pick I agree. I still wouldn't want him on my team. If the season is over it's time to get the highest pick possible. Finishing 7-9 doesn't do **** for anyone.