Joe-28th ranked coach?

[KTDolphins]

He hasn't done anything to warrant a high spot. The offense was downright predictable last year and he did not intervene at all to fix it.

 

[whizafriz]

He hasn't done anything to warrant a high spot. The offense was downright predictable last year and he did not intervene at all to fix it.

Very true. Although not much you can do when you have the absolute worst OLine in the league.

Still though, I would have liked to at least seen us try new things and correct bad play-call tendencies that seemed to be recurring week after week. When you have glaring weaknesses, IMO you should try to counterract them with creating new strengths and surprises. Instead we kept to the doctrine of Go/Go-Go and things never really took off in the 4-5 gimme-games we should have won but fell flat.

 

[nyjunc]

With all the issues last year, achieving an 8-8 record makes him better than 28, imo. Depends how you look at it.
I would definitely say the coaching staff as a whole is better this year

I think prior to the last 2 games he did a great job but those last 2 he did an awful job and those were the 2 biggest games of the year so he should drop to the bottom 3rd. That doesn't mean he is stuck there though.

 

[roy_miami]

I actually have time for Philbin, but let's look at this objectively.

75% of teams who go 4-0 get to the playoffs. We managed to beat the odds with 2 spectacularly poor performances when all we needed was one mediocre one to reach the promised land.

We looked quite undercooked coming out in a lot of games.

Our offensive system, run by the guy Philbin brought in, was awful. He had to be sacked and replaced.

Our O-line, run by the guy Philbin brought in, made awful look immaculate. He had to be sacked and replaced.

Our O-line, not content with bringing shame on us on the pitch, did a good job off it. Martin might be a little s**tbag but a lot of stupid crap went down under the watch of Mr. Accountability. Our o-line had to be totally dismantled.

This isn't the 12-month resume of a guy who is going to feature highly in coach rankings, esp when his public persona doesn't do him any favours. I have some hope it'll all work out in the end, as I do believe Philbin is professional and has good experience in good setups. But don't kid yourself that 2013/14 was a good year for Joe.

I've maintained all along that 10 wins with what he had to work with would have been an incredible coaching performance.

-Our GM spent less on offense than every team in the league while holding the fifth most in cap space in the coffers, let that sink in for a second. This might have had something to do with the fact that we were horrible against top defenses going 1-6 vs top ten defenses
-Historically bad o-line. Comically bad. You would be hard pressed to build a worse o-line if you tried bad.
-The weapons added apparently needed longer than one offseason to get up to speed. I think Wallace may end up being a good signing in the long term but Jennings probably would have helped more in the short term
-Philbin wanted a seam busting TE and he goes down before the season. Philbin wanted a blocking TE and Sims turned out to be terrible. We lose our starting slot receiver.
-Our second year QB was still raw and was very inconsistent and had two of the worst three performances of his career the last two weeks. If the coach needs to "coach up" your starting QB with the playoffs on the line then you probably better start looking for a new starting QB...

So if 10 wins would have been an incredible coaching job and 9 wins would have been a good coaching job then how do you go straight from good to terrible? Where is the buffer? And the difference between 9 and 8 was one play, Ryan Tannhill had to make one play against the Bills to ice the game, hell, all he really had to do was make sure the Bills defense didn't make a play and we still had a very good chance to win. Joe Philbin allowed Ryan Tannehill the ability to make that audible, that is an aggressive coaching decision that hasn't work out in the short term (may have cost us 2 wins by my count) but it should pay off over the long term.

And don't even try to tell me 9 or 10 wins wouldn't have been a good coaching performance with everything considered. The biggest Philbin haters also said Ireland was horrible. The biggest Philbin haters predicted the o-line would be terrible, even made threads about it before the season. So if you're going to try to claim this was a 11-13 win team then you'd have to admit you were wrong about Ireland and/or the personnel issues that you yourself predicted would be an issue.

Before the season: I'm really worried about the o-line guys, I'm pretty sure it could be an unmitigated disaster.
After the season: Well, the o-line doesn't really matter that much anyway...

 

[roy_miami]

As far as the ranking goes anywhere from 15-25 would be fair. I mean who gives a ****? It would be like nitpicking your QB with the 83 rating is better than his QB with the 78 rating.

Who.
Gives.
A.
****.

 

[zach attach]

Philbin deserves his spot. He lost the last two games when we needed one. He should have pulled out every stop to win those games. He didn't adjust at halftime in either game. He wanted Sherman to stay. He hired a college coach in Jim Turner. Philbin is on his way out if he cannot fix this. 2 seasons are now under his belt, and mistakes have been made. This is his 3rd year, and it's time he learns from those mistakes and produces a winner. Not 8-8. 8-8 just says, "You don't have enough to fire me, but i'm not better than others." I also don't need him to be a loud mouth like Rex, but his jets went 8-8 with their horrible qb.
We can't blame the line for all the losses, Joe saw what was there. He's the coach. Why didn't he fix it? The JMart Incogs has nothing to do with Joe's spot. It's what he did on the field. That's where the points are scored, that's where the wins and losses are.

 

[roy_miami]

We can't blame the line for all the losses, Joe saw what was there. He's the coach. Why didn't he fix it?

Agreed. He should have fired Ireland sooner and made the necessary personnel adjustments himself. He relied too much on Ireland, I know he likes to let his people do their own jobs without delegating too much but he clearly should have tightened the reigns on Ireland a little sooner. He asked politely for upgrades to every position on the line but he should have demanded it a little more forcefully or just fired Ireland on the spot at the time.

 

[DuderinoN703]

I know Joe hasn't been anywhere near the top, but 28? I guess losing the last two last year, after only needing to win one of two, will drop you near the bottom in some people's eyes.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...ichick-carroll-coughlin-tomlin-allen/slide/28

Makes complete sense to rank coaches who've never been Head Coaches in the NFL before in front of Philbin as well as coaches with new teams, as if their past success guarantees them future success.

 

[Casas9425]

The reason he's ranked so low is obviously because of the choke job to end the season. Losing those last 2 games is pathetic and inexcusable.

 

[zach attach]

Agreed. He should have fired Ireland sooner and made the necessary personnel adjustments himself. He relied too much on Ireland, I know he likes to let his people do their own jobs without delegating too much but he clearly should have tightened the reigns on Ireland a little sooner. He asked politely for upgrades to every position on the line but he should have demanded it a little more forcefully or just fired Ireland on the spot at the time.

Exactly, go to Ross and demand Jeff be fired. Make a case for Jeff tobe canned and argue it to the end. Good call Roy. Orrrr, Joe, the head coach could have made a coaching upgrade, like he did, earlier. He wanted to keep Turner though. That rests on Joe.

 

[roy_miami]

Exactly, go to Ross and demand Jeff be fired. Make a case for Jeff tobe canned and argue it to the end. Good call Roy. Orrrr, Joe, the head coach could have made a coaching upgrade, like he did, earlier. He wanted to keep Turner though. That rests on Joe.

Yup. He hated Ireland but couldn't get rid of him, or at the very least take control over him. And he loved Turner but couldn't keep him. Joe Philbin is a terrible, terrible excuse of a human being.

And I don't care if my cat is playing left tackle, Turner needs to find a way to make it work. No excuses.

 

[roy_miami]

Me, you, my cat, the whole commission knew the offense could be a problem before the season even began last season. The prediction of the possibility of poor results is one thing, even being right in your prediction is another thing but those things should in no way be factored in to the actual results...

Several people predicted Martin would suck, and that was even before we knew he bailed on the team during otas and was suicidal. No matter, 12 wins was still attainable.

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread...-(Dion-Jordan-vs-Jon-Martin)&highlight=martin

A lot of people felt Ireland might not be the best GM, maybe even as much as 80-90%. Ireland drafts a bunch of injured players, including an injured field goal kicker, and our class takes the fewest amount of snaps in the league. Linebackers: disaster. O-line additions: disaster. Meh though right? A good coach should still win 11 games.

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread...ual-Reality-on-Jeff-Ireland&highlight=ireland

And just before the season began I pointed out the disturbing salary cap numbers spending so little on offense while keeping so much liquid cash in the bank. Its debatable how important cornfeds are but I think we can all agree that dollar bills sure as hell don't make plays on the field. Still a 10 win or bust team though, amiright?

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?342615-Disturbing-Salary-Cap-Number

 

[SkapePhin]

The only thing I would change about that list is that I would bump Philbin up to 26 and push O'Brien and Caldwell below him - O'Brien because he is a rook like the rest of the low-ranked guys and Caldwell because he flat out sucks.

I cannot make a case for Philbin being ahead of any other coach on that list...

 

[NBP81]

What the hell goes into ranking a head coach anyway... Its all perception for different variables, many of which are total unknowns to people who don't work for the organisation... In this case I`d say keep it simple and just bring back the consensus power rankings from just before week 1 and rank the coaches by the differential with the week 17 rankings... Whichever coach made the biggest improvement is ranked accordingly... Either way its a waste of time TBH...

 

[nyjunc]

As far as the ranking goes anywhere from 15-25 would be fair. I mean who gives a ****? It would be like nitpicking your QB with the 83 rating is better than his QB with the 78 rating.

Who.
Gives.
A.
****.

15 would be way too high, he deserves anywhere from 24-32.