Joe-28th ranked coach?

[roy_miami]

The reason he's ranked so low is obviously because of the choke job to end the season. Losing those last 2 games is pathetic and inexcusable.

And that all ties back to the terrible o-line and Jeff Ireland's refusal to upgrade it. The fact of the matter is our o-line didn't stand a chance against Buffalo's front, and because of that Tannehill's knee got banged up.

Philbin did have options though, he could have played Moore against Buffalo to protect Tannehill. He could have taken the week off from his philosophy and just ran the ball every down to protect Tannehill. He could have played Moore week 17 after Tannehill got hurt which would have given us a better chance to win. All of those decisions would have helped our chances at going to the playoffs in a vacuum but they would have done nothing for Tannehill's long term growth, and for me that is just as important as getting one more win.

 

[HoneyB]

Philbin deserves his spot. He lost the last two games when we needed one. He should have pulled out every stop to win those games. He didn't adjust at halftime in either game. He wanted Sherman to stay. He hired a college coach in Jim Turner. Philbin is on his way out if he cannot fix this. 2 seasons are now under his belt, and mistakes have been made. This is his 3rd year, and it's time he learns from those mistakes and produces a winner. Not 8-8. 8-8 just says, "You don't have enough to fire me, but i'm not better than others." I also don't need him to be a loud mouth like Rex, but his jets went 8-8 with their horrible qb.
We can't blame the line for all the losses, Joe saw what was there. He's the coach. Why didn't he fix it? The JMart Incogs has nothing to do with Joe's spot. It's what he did on the field. That's where the points are scored, that's where the wins and losses are.

I hope you keep reminding people of that, too. He wanted Sherman to stay. He wanted Turner to stay. Those guys are only gone because they were pressured out, not because Philbin wanted to fire them. Turner was still here when Bill Lazor was hired, for gods sake. Bill had to agree to accept Philbins assistant coaches. As it turned out, Turner ended up leaving because of bullygate, that was a silver lining, I guess.

 

[Atila]

For what it's worth, regardless of where you want to rank him, Joe Philbin has been a below average coach at best.

 

[Da Phinishisher]

This list is all kinds of messed up. But Philbin might be in the right spot.
I hope the best for him but I think its more likely he's dead man walking. Lazor can do more for his job security than he can.

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

What has Coach Philbin done to be ranked higher than 28? If you say he held the team together through bully gate, well he should of had a better sense and know how of the situation from the get go. He needs to step it up this year or otherwise he needs to go.

 

[nyfinzfan]

Id rank him dead last. His team is unprepared, always starts slow, and looks like it makes slim to no halftime adjustments. His deer in the headlights facial expression tells alot. The last two losses were inexcusable but there were several worse. The loss to The Bills when we were home coming off the bye week and the started who started a 3rd string QB???? Id have fired him then...that was PATHETIC. The loss to a winless Bucs team when we were on a semi roll? Awful. They shouldve cleaned house.

 

[Sirspud]

I agree with this assessment. This team outplayed and was more talented than its opponent in far more games than it won, and it lost numerous games to teams who were closer to practice squads than division winners. When you play down to every opponent and fail to turn good play into wins., you aren't a winner. There are coaches who had worse records last year that did more with the talent they had. At the same time , there are few coaches who more clearly proved they were losing by squandering a gift wrapped playoff spot when this team lost to two teams that were degrees of awful.

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

There was also no drive, emotion, or having this team coming out and playing lights out football. They seem to come out flat to start games and after half time as well.

 

[roy_miami]

I agree with this assessment. This team outplayed and was more talented than its opponent in far more games than it won, and it lost numerous games to teams who were closer to practice squads than division winners. When you play down to every opponent and fail to turn good play into wins., you aren't a winner. l.

We didn't play down to every opponent. We had trouble specifically against top defenses. And we had trouble against top defenses because our offense was pathetic. And our offense was pathetic mostly because of Jeff Ireland. We were 1-6 against top ten defenses which obviously means we were 7-2 against everybody else. And the one top 10 defense we beat it took overtime and our defense had to score most of our points for us.

There are coaches who had worse records last year that did more with the talent they had.

And I'm sure if one of those guys was our coach you and all the others would be singing his praises. :rolleyes2:

Gimme a ****ing break with this ****.

 

[roy_miami]

And I would add the only teams we lost to without a top 10 defense the Patriots in Foxboro (no gimme there) and the Jets week 17 with a hobbled Tannehill after he had been injured against Buffalo thanks to our god awful o-line.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

That's way too low. I think he's slightly below average for now, but not bottom five in the league. I can name at least 10 coaches who should rank below Philibin.

 

[iwastherein1972]

The poorest coaches are always the "defense-minded" ones.

Philbin is NOT a defense-minded HC. But for a guy who specialized in offense all his career, he has neglected that side of the ball because of the talent pool he inherited. The Dolphins have spent the last decade spectacularly failing in their pathetic attempts to be the 2001 ravens (wharf-rat serial killers on d, punchless, popgun offense), largely because of the triumvirate from Dallas and its asinine personnel philosophies.

 

[SWS84]

I actually have time for Philbin, but let's look at this objectively.

75% of teams who go 4-0 get to the playoffs. We managed to beat the odds with 2 spectacularly poor performances when all we needed was one mediocre one to reach the promised land.

We looked quite undercooked coming out in a lot of games.

Our offensive system, run by the guy Philbin brought in, was awful. He had to be sacked and replaced.

Our O-line, run by the guy Philbin brought in, made awful look immaculate. He had to be sacked and replaced.

Our O-line, not content with bringing shame on us on the pitch, did a good job off it. Martin might be a little s**tbag but a lot of stupid crap went down under the watch of Mr. Accountability. Our o-line had to be totally dismantled.

This isn't the 12-month resume of a guy who is going to feature highly in coach rankings, esp when his public persona doesn't do him any favours. I have some hope it'll all work out in the end, as I do believe Philbin is professional and has good experience in good setups. But don't kid yourself that 2013/14 was a good year for Joe.

You make some great points. Funny thing about Philbin bringing Lazor in. If our offense kicks butt, EVERYONE will be heaping praise on Lazor, but... if we stink it up then it will be Philbins fault. I am not really defending Philbin, but he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

 

[HoneyB]

You make some great points. Funny thing about Philbin bringing Lazor in. If our offense kicks butt, EVERYONE will be heaping praise on Lazor, but... if we stink it up then it will be Philbins fault. I am not really defending Philbin, but he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

But I think that's fair.

Other than the severe O line shakeup, the offensive roster is basically the same. It's still the Tannehill, Clay, Wallace, Hartline, Matthews and Miller show. We'll also still running basically the same scheme. So yes, this is year three in the Philibin program.

Lazor will have a huge impact because he's going to try to heavily tweak Philbin's offense to make it work, and bring in some of his own stuff. If we do see drastic improvement, then to me, that can only be attributed to Bill. Bill is inheriting an offense that scored 7 points in 8 quarters at the end of the year. That's what he's got, and if we see a turnaround we know why.

 

[roy_miami]

But I think that's fair.

Other than the severe O line shakeup, the offensive roster is basically the same. It's still the Tannehill, Clay, Wallace, Hartline, Matthews and Miller show. We'll also still running basically the same scheme. So yes, this is year three in the Philibin program.

Lazor will have a huge impact because he's going to try to heavily tweak Philbin's offense to make it work, and bring in some of his own stuff. If we do see drastic improvement, then to me, that can only be attributed to Bill. Bill is inheriting an offense that scored 7 points in 8 quarters at the end of the year. That's what he's got, and if we see a turnaround we know why.

First of all many QBs have broken out in year three so if we see a drastic improvement that could be part of it.

Second of all we added one of the highest priced free agents and spent our first three picks on the offensive side, unless you think the o-line is a superfluous part of the offense I don't see how you can say the offensive personnel isn't improved. I think its highly likely that if we would have just added Albert last season or drafted Lane Johnson instead of Jordan even Sherman's offense would have been good enough to get us into the playoffs.

Third of all why do you say it was Philbin's offense last year but will be Lazor's offense this year? You know we had an offensive coordinator then too right? It's either Philbin's offense the whole time or it's the coordinators offense the whole time. Obviously you're trying to be hyperbolic for effect but it really does make you Philbin bashers look silly at times. I remember people used to bash Philbin for setting himself up for failure for not being able to take control over his old boss, and it was really Sherman's team. Of course now because its convenient, the argument is Sherman was just his puppet.