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Joe-28th ranked coach?

HoneyB said:
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We just see things differently.

But to try to answer your question, you leave a backup at LT, leave JMart at RT and at the very least Ireland picks up McKinnie for LT.
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Ireland: I signed Clabo to be the starting RT, not the backup. I like Martin at LT, and you can do what you want with the pieces I've provided you, but I'm not signing McKinnie. I bid you good day.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
:lol: Exactly what tools are you discussing, Moreno, Lynch or Daimen Williams?? So in your eyes the reason Ryan will be a success is all due to our new GM and all the great tools he has put around Ryan, and none of the credit goes to the GM that brought Ryan to the dolphins?? OK got it.
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How about Jarvis Landry? He's about the most exciting Dolphin Offensive draft pick in the past 15 years. (Yes, I'm including Ted Ginn Jr).
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
:lol: Exactly what tools are you discussing, Moreno, Lynch or Daimen Williams?? So in your eyes the reason Ryan will be a success is all due to our new GM and all the great tools he has put around Ryan, and none of the credit goes to the GM that brought Ryan to the dolphins?? OK got it.
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Ireland made his own bed. Instead of Martin he could have actually picked a decent player. He could have cut Incognito at any point over the years. Instead of Clabo he could have actually signed a decent player. He couldn't get a deal done with Long. He could have traded for Albert. He could have drafted Lane Johnson. There were several other o-lineman available that were better than Dallas Thomas. He could have brought back Fasano instead of relying on his ability to draft a blocking TE, and Sims was terrible. He could have drafted or signed a RB that could actually block.

I'm not giving Ireland an ounce of credit for Tannehill (if he actually is any good), if Ireland was actually trying to ruin Tannehill instead of help him I think he would have been hard pressed to do much worse.
 
Late to the party here and I see this has been somewhat addressed, but:

when you have a coach, with a scant 6 winning seasons going on 19 campaigns, 2 winning seasons out of the last 9 including absolutely no winning seasons in the last 4 with a winning percentage of .431 during his most recent run, fired from his last job and the epitome of "mediocrity" ranked at #13 , it automatically invalidates this ranking and whatever convoluted rationale outside of a ouija board used to drive it.

Sorry, but as amazed as I am over the free ride this overrated HC has been getting for years while essentially just drafting on the fumes of some reasonable success sandwiched in years before, I'm neither buying it nor buying into this ranking. And Jason Garrett ranked higher despite underperforming with all the talent he's had to work with or Harbaugh at number 9? C'mon man, gimme a ****ing break!

This ranking is typical basement blogger-level quality.
 
roy_miami said:
Ireland made his own bed. Instead of Martin he could have actually picked a decent player. He could have cut Incognito at any point over the years. Instead of Clabo he could have actually signed a decent player. He couldn't get a deal done with Long. He could have traded for Albert. He could have drafted Lane Johnson. There were several other o-lineman available that were better than Dallas Thomas. He could have brought back Fasano instead of relying on his ability to draft a blocking TE, and Sims was terrible. He could have drafted or signed a RB that could actually block.

I'm not giving Ireland an ounce of credit for Tannehill (if he actually is any good), if Ireland was actually trying to ruin Tannehill instead of help him I think he would have been hard pressed to do much worse.
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Clabo made perfect sense as a signing, yes anytime a player falls off a cliff in ability and production it will make the guy who signed him look bad, but there were plenty of reasons to think that he would be a great fit down here and he had been a very effective player before he put on a Miami uniform.

What I find classic is that we are only dissing Ireland for Clabo, ignoring the fact that Philbin kept Clabo in the lineup for weeks after he had proven ineffective, and before the Martin fiasco forced him back in the starting lineup. Refusing to bench an ineffective player for worry that whoever replaces him will be worse (which in the case of some horrible Dolphins over the years, is scarcely impossible) is the clearest sign of a weak coach you can find.
 
roy_miami said:
Ireland: I signed Clabo to be the starting RT, not the backup. I like Martin at LT, and you can do what you want with the pieces I've provided you, but I'm not signing McKinnie. I bid you good day.
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The GM and HC work together to find out when they need to bring someone in. Ireland proved he would sign McKinnie, so history kind of blows a hole in your own theory. So the obvious truth is that when Philbin finally said he needed help and that Martin wasn't the answer Ireland went and got him the piece he asked for. It was Philbin who didn't want to upgrade the LT not the GM.
 
roy_miami said:
Ireland made his own bed.

I'm not giving Ireland an ounce of credit for Tannehill (if he actually is any good), if Ireland was actually trying to ruin Tannehill instead of help him I think he would have been hard pressed to do much worse.
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Yeah Ireland made his own bed when he agreed to stay on after the owner overrode his decision to get the coach he wanted and agreed to settle for Philbin.

Of course you won't give Ireland credit for what he did correctly, just like you want to complain about the position Ireland and Dawn left the team rather than over spending on overrated players. Ireland made many mistakes as do all GMs, but Philbin was the one who coached the team that folded up like a cheap tent in the biggest games of the year. Show me a great coach in the history of the NFL that found a way to lose the last two games of the year with the playoffs on the line, while being heavy favorites in both, and scoring a total of 7 pts in 8 quarters. The team had enough talent to be 8-6 with the season on the line but the coaching staff fails to prepare the players. Then Philbin decides he wants all his staff back, and you think that is the guy you want leading your team for the next year??

Bottom line is Ireland had to go, but Philbin had to go with him, and our owner didn't have the stones to pull the trigger. We had the talent to be a lot better than 8-8, and that rest on Philbin. I would rather see Lazor as HC to be perfectly honest. We have seen how the team responds to Philbin in big games, and it's never good.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
The GM and HC work together to find out when they need to bring someone in. Ireland proved he would sign McKinnie, so history kind of blows a hole in your own theory. So the obvious truth is that when Philbin finally said he needed help and that Martin wasn't the answer Ireland went and got him the piece he asked for. It was Philbin who didn't want to upgrade the LT not the GM.
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Philbin wanted Albert before the season started
 
roy_miami said:
Tannehill can't hit a wide open receiver for an easy TD and that is on the coach? Tannehill slides a yard short of the first down with the playoffs on the line and that is on the coach? Tannehill audibles to a pass play with the lead late in the fourth quarter and lets a defender take the ball out of his hand... that is on the coach?
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Absolutely, not having your players prepared and understanding what they need to do is absolutely on the coach.
 
SWS84 said:
Oops, let me fix this for you, "Part of the reason, actually a LOT of the reason, our offense was bad was [ NOT ]due to the HC." There ;-). That's more accurate. Philbin has said he has to improve, everybody does, but unlike some that we know of, he will take the blame, but he is hardly the reason why our offense fell short. He's a good coach. Our game plans were solid. We beat a lot of very good teams, but stumbled on a few games we should have won. It happens. Some of his issues are due to inexperience, but very fixable. If I could name one thing that I don't like about his style is that he is loyal to a fault. I don't agree with him on wanting to keep Sherman and Turner. Other than that, I think he is ok. We'll find out this year. :-)
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Oops, let me fix this for you, He's (Philbin) a good for nothing coach. Our game plans were sorry. We stumbled on a few games we should have won. It happens often on badly coached teams. Some of his issues are due to inability to coach, but very fixable by firing him. There fixed it for ya
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
Absolutely, not having your players prepared and understanding what they need to do is absolutely on the coach.
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So all QBs are created equal and the only difference between Peyton Manning and Cleo Lemon is the head coach? Is that your theory? Mike Wallace gets wide open, who gets the credit for that? Ryan Tannehill has time to get him the ball, who gets the credit for that? And when he misses you you scream out "PHILLLLBINNNN!!!" Really?
 
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