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rent this space said:
Sorry, meant to post this(also on page 9):

Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 3m
This is interesting: I'm told Philbin wanted to trade for Branden Albert last year but Ireland said Dolphins would be fine with Martin at LT
http://www.finheaven.com/showthread...e-for-Albert-Ireland-said-no&highlight=albert
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And HoneyB's post 93 on page 10 proves that to be inaccurate. Philbin said publically that he was ok with Martin's progress and saw no reason for the upgrade. No way Ireland could have known what Philbin was allowing to happen in his locker room, and that Philbins poor handling of his lockerroom would blow up in our faces the way it did. If Philbin would have handled it like he should have instead of picking up all the gum wrappers off the floor bullygate would have never happened.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
Oops, let me fix this for you, He's (Philbin) a good for nothing coach. Our game plans were sorry. We stumbled on a few games we should have won. It happens often on badly coached teams. Some of his issues are due to inability to coach, but very fixable by firing him. There fixed it for ya
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LOL. Your entitled to your opinion. So am I. Not saying Philbin is the greatest, but he brings more to the table than you realize. IMO, we shouldn't churn our HC like Ireland likes to churn the bottom of the roster, so I am glad Ross is giving Philbin a little time. Enjoy the season, IF you can.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
And HoneyB's post 93 on page 10 proves that to be inaccurate. Philbin said publically that he was ok with Martin's progress and saw no reason for the upgrade. No way Ireland could have known what Philbin was allowing to happen in his locker room, and that Philbins poor handling of his lockerroom would blow up in our faces the way it did. If Philbin would have handled it like he should have instead of picking up all the gum wrappers off the floor bullygate would have never happened.
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Thanks because I do feel this is all more complex than many think. Ireland proved he had no problem bringing a FA in because he signed McKinnie, and before that, actively tried to sign Brandon Albert. But everything comes at a price. If Philbin got Albert, he'd get one less draft pick too. So at that point you have to KNOW what you have at home. I believe that both Ireland and Philbin thought or hoped that they had Martin in their back pocket and that was good enough. Keep in mind that for all we know, Martin could have worked out and Philbin/Sherman/Turner might have not have been wrong under different circumstances.

Another point is, why did we lose Jake Long, and did it make sense to switch Long for Albert? Was that the plan? Here's an interesting article early in 2013, before we lost Jake Long. It obviously wasn't just about the money. It was about Long's health, but also more importantly, Long's fit with Philbin. Long was an Ireland guy, he loved him. But Long wasn't a fit for Philbin. As is described here:

By Dan Hanzus Around the League Writer
Published: Jan. 22, 2013 at 03:00 p.m.

Ireland called this offseason difficult because he has players he "once believed in" who might no longer fit in the Dolphins' scheme. He said the roster remains in transition one year after Ireland hired coach Joe Philbin to replace Tony Sparano. "When you go from Tony Sparano to Joe Philbin, there isn't only a schematic difference, but a personality difference," Ireland said.
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Personality difference? What does that mean, exactly? It means that there were more reasons Philbin didn't like Long other than his injuries and poor scheme fit. Was the obvious solution to switch out one non-elite, overpriced free agent with an injury history, with one that's similar? Why would that be the solution? Wouldn't the preference be to have Jonathan Martin, the zone fit, Stanford grad with the low-key personality fill the vacancy? Of course it was.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ng-miami-dolphins-facing-a-difficult-decision
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
And HoneyB's post 93 on page 10 proves that to be inaccurate. Philbin said publically that he was ok with Martin's progress and saw no reason for the upgrade. No way Ireland could have known what Philbin was allowing to happen in his locker room, and that Philbins poor handling of his lockerroom would blow up in our faces the way it did. If Philbin would have handled it like he should have instead of picking up all the gum wrappers off the floor bullygate would have never happened.
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He said Martin was progressing. You and honeyb added the "no need to upgrade" part.
 
HoneyB said:
Thanks because I do feel this is all more complex than many think. Ireland proved he had no problem bringing a FA in because he signed McKinnie]
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Yup McKinnie was just a shrewd move by a great GM moving and shaking. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that our o-line was on pace to be historically bad at the time.... :rolleyes2:

And he didn't just sign him, he traded for him (botched trade I might add, should have happened a week earlier). Ireland had to wait and see what he had in players with his own eyes, he had zero foresight, which is why he was a terrible GM.
 
HoneyB said:
Personality difference? What does that mean, exactly? It means that there were more reasons Philbin didn't like Long other than his injuries and poor scheme fit. Was the obvious solution to switch out one non-elite, overpriced free agent with an injury history, with one that's similar? Why would that be the solution? Wouldn't the preference be to have Jonathan Martin, the zone fit, Stanford grad with the low-key personality fill the vacancy? Of course it was.
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Of course it was. If he wasn't a horrible football player.

Option A: Probowler but not a scheme fit
Option B: Physically weak terrible player that is a scheme fit. Oh and he's skipping out on training camp and is reportedly suicidal.

Real tough decision there. Almost as tough as whether you should run or throw it deep in overtime when you're already in field goal range, in overtime. Overtime. Field goal range.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
And HoneyB's post 93 on page 10 proves that to be inaccurate. Philbin said publically that he was ok with Martin's progress and saw no reason for the upgrade. No way Ireland could have known what Philbin was allowing to happen in his locker room, and that Philbins poor handling of his lockerroom would blow up in our faces the way it did. If Philbin would have handled it like he should have instead of picking up all the gum wrappers off the floor bullygate would have never happened.
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Honey B's quotes don't prove anything. in fact, if you read what she left out from the March article, it sounds like Philbin is not very comfortable with Martin at left tackle:

"...While it's assumed that Martin would be the starting left tackle, Philbin played it cool, not quite sure that Martin would have the position. "There's still a lot of things we can do to this the roster," Philbin explained. "The roster's going to be different when we even start practicing. I think we're going on the field May 21st or 22nd, so it's hard to say right now [that Martin would be able to win the left tackle spot]..."

Her other quote from training camp is complimentary but far from enthusiastic:

"...(On the progress of Jonathan Martin) – “I think he’s been quietly improving. That’s probably a good thing for an offensive lineman, you don’t’ want to be noticed too much as an offensive lineman. I think the timing on his punch is getting better, his footwork is getting better. Again his continual work, he’s working hard at it he’s very detailed with his preparation, and I like the strides he’s making, he certainly has more to make.”
 
HoneyB said:
Thanks because I do feel this is all more complex than many think. Ireland proved he had no problem bringing a FA in because he signed McKinnie, and before that, actively tried to sign Brandon Albert. But everything comes at a price. If Philbin got Albert, he'd get one less draft pick too. So at that point you have to KNOW what you have at home. I believe that both Ireland and Philbin thought or hoped that they had Martin in their back pocket and that was good enough. Keep in mind that for all we know, Martin could have worked out and Philbin/Sherman/Turner might have not have been wrong under different circumstances.

Another point is, why did we lose Jake Long, and did it make sense to switch Long for Albert? Was that the plan? Here's an interesting article early in 2013, before we lost Jake Long. It obviously wasn't just about the money. It was about Long's health, but also more importantly, Long's fit with Philbin. Long was an Ireland guy, he loved him. But Long wasn't a fit for Philbin. As is described here:



Personality difference? What does that mean, exactly? It means that there were more reasons Philbin didn't like Long other than his injuries and poor scheme fit. Was the obvious solution to switch out one non-elite, overpriced free agent with an injury history, with one that's similar? Why would that be the solution? Wouldn't the preference be to have Jonathan Martin, the zone fit, Stanford grad with the low-key personality fill the vacancy? Of course it was.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ng-miami-dolphins-facing-a-difficult-decision
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Albert is a much better fit for the ZBS than Long and much more talented than Martin. That's why Philbin preferred him and asked for him in the offseason.
 
roy_miami said:
Yup McKinnie was just a shrewd move by a great GM moving and shaking. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that our o-line was on pace to be historically bad at the time.... :rolleyes2:

And he didn't just sign him, he traded for him (botched trade I might add, should have happened a week earlier). Ireland had to wait and see what he had in players with his own eyes, he had zero foresight, which is why he was a terrible GM.
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:lol: or could it be maybe he has to wait until the coach tells him he NEEDS and upgrade?? Maybe his issues being a successful GM had something to do with the input he got from his coach ??
 
rent this space said:
Honey B's quotes don't prove anything. in fact, if you read what she left out from the March article, it sounds like Philbin is not very comfortable with Martin at left tackle:

"...While it's assumed that Martin would be the starting left tackle, Philbin played it cool, not quite sure that Martin would have the position. "There's still a lot of things we can do to this the roster," Philbin explained. "The roster's going to be different when we even start practicing. I think we're going on the field May 21st or 22nd, so it's hard to say right now [that Martin would be able to win the left tackle spot]..."

Her other quote from training camp is complimentary but far from enthusiastic:

"...(On the progress of Jonathan Martin) – “I think he’s been quietly improving. That’s probably a good thing for an offensive lineman, you don’t’ want to be noticed too much as an offensive lineman. I think the timing on his punch is getting better, his footwork is getting better. Again his continual work, he’s working hard at it he’s very detailed with his preparation, and I like the strides he’s making, he certainly has more to make.”
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If that is your take on Philbin's coach speach, then I can show you nearly exact same comments he has made about James. You figure Philbin is wanting Hickey to upgrade James about now?
 
rent this space said:
Albert is a much better fit for the ZBS than Long and much more talented than Martin. That's why Philbin preferred him and asked for him in the offseason.
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And you know that Philbin asked for Brandon Albert?? Or did he ask for a upgrade at LT?? From what I have heard Lazor has complete control of the offense, that might include personal advice, how do you know it wasn't Lazor that asked for Albert, or and upgrade??
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
You mean like you add the "we have to add a LT but that mean ol bully Ireland just won't let me"?
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Like I said that was common sense. Philbin saying "thanks but no thanks" to upgrades anywhere let alone over Martin who was going all spazzy last off season is very uncommon sense, to put it nicely. And think about this: BRANDON ALBERT IS NOW A MIAMI DOLPHIN!!! We couldn't wait to sign him and he might have been the first and most expensive free agent signing of the entire NFL. This came while Philbin is still here and Ireland is not.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
If that is your take on Philbin's coach speach, then I can show you nearly exact same comments he has made about James. You figure Philbin is wanting Hickey to upgrade James about now?
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Uhhhh, thats the point. Show me a quote where he's disparaged any player on the team ever to the media while they're still on the team. Do you think that means he has loved them all?

If you ask Philbin, or any coach, if he thinks his team is good I can already tell you what the response will be long before he takes the podium.

Reporter: Hey Joe, is Landry good?
Joe Philbin: He's an impressive athlete and he's picking up the playbook nicely. Can he be a great receiver? Absolutely.

Its sad that I have to explain this to you but that is coach speak.
 
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