Joe-28th ranked coach?

[SWS84]

But our offense and the HC are not mutually excusive. Part of the reason, actually a LOT of the reason, our offense was bad is due to the HC.

Oops, let me fix this for you, "Part of the reason, actually a LOT of the reason, our offense was bad was [ NOT ]due to the HC." There ;-). That's more accurate. Philbin has said he has to improve, everybody does, but unlike some that we know of, he will take the blame, but he is hardly the reason why our offense fell short. He's a good coach. Our game plans were solid. We beat a lot of very good teams, but stumbled on a few games we should have won. It happens. Some of his issues are due to inexperience, but very fixable. If I could name one thing that I don't like about his style is that he is loyal to a fault. I don't agree with him on wanting to keep Sherman and Turner. Other than that, I think he is ok. We'll find out this year. :-)

 

[z926538]

I don't know, I am not very patient myself (but in most situations it is a good thing to be patient), if we have another year like we have been having, I will want Joe to go. It just seems like no matter what the Dolphins do, fire or don't fire, it turns out to not work.

I appreciate how you feel. Sometimes I think Shula sold the franchise to the devil in exchange for the perfect season.

 

[Sirspud]

And we did win games. Which coach with a worse offense than ours won more than 8 games?

I love that our losses weren't our offensive minded HC's fault because we had a bad offense. Classic argument right there.

 

[gafin]

I appreciate how you feel. Sometimes I think Shula sold the franchise to the devil in exchange for the perfect season.

It's been tough, but trying to be optimistic, maybe this is the year they turn it around.

 

[roy_miami]

I love that our losses weren't our offensive minded HC's fault because we had a bad offense. Classic argument right there.

Ryan Tannehill was our only skill player drafted in the first 3 rounds AND on top of that we spent less on offense than every team in the league except the Raiders PLUS Philbin was begging for a better LT option almost exactly a year ago while Martin was flaking out on the team. And we weren't exactly getting stellar QB play, Tannehill left a lot of plays on the field. This team was destined to have a below average offense, you simply can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****.

I'm sure Philbin would be the first to admit he gave a "competitive effort," which is his way of saying you have room to improve. Tannehill gave "a competitive effort" also. But even if they both achieved their maximum this was a 10 or 11 win team at most, because the GM ****ed them over.

 

[z926538]

I'm sure Philbin would be the first to admit he gave a "competitive effort," which is his way of saying you have room to improve. Tannehill gave "a competitive effort" also. But even if they both achieved their maximum this was a 10 or 11 win team at most, because the GM ****ed them over.

I think your analysis behind last season's massive failure is right on the money. The majority of the blame falls on Jeff Ireland for having ignored the offense for far too long.

 

[roy_miami]

I think your analysis behind last season's massive failure is right on the money. The majority of the blame falls on Jeff Ireland for having ignored the offense for far too long.

And he kept $22 million in cap space in the bank for god knows what. It seems to me he formulated a 3 or 5 year plan or something and he refused to deviate from it no matter what.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

I think your analysis behind last season's massive failure is right on the money. The majority of the blame falls on Jeff Ireland for having ignored the offense for far too long.

So a 1st rd QB, 1st rd center, 2nd rd OT, 3rd rd OG, 3rd rd TE, paying Wallace crazy money, bringing in Gibson, and Claybo that is your idea of ignoring the offense?? WOW, you must see Hickey as not even knowing we HAVE an offense. We had 4 glaring holes on the OL going into this offseason, we now have two glaring holes and a rookie RT. You can continue to blame everything on Ireland if you want, but what we have now hasn't proven to be much of an upgrade. Time will tell I guess but I can't see it. Lateral move at best.

 

[z926538]

So a 1st rd QB, 1st rd center, 2nd rd OT, 3rd rd OG, 3rd rd TE, paying Wallace crazy money, bringing in Gibson, and Claybo that is your idea of ignoring the offense?? WOW, you must see Hickey as not even knowing we HAVE an offense. We had 4 glaring holes on the OL going into this offseason, we now have two glaring holes and a rookie RT. You can continue to blame everything on Ireland if you want, but what we have now hasn't proven to be much of an upgrade. Time will tell I guess but I can't see it. Lateral move at best.

What Ireland did to Tannehill with the receiver corp in his first season was criminal. What he did last season with the offensive line was almost as bad. He has patched holes on offense when things got so bad that they could no longer be ignored. But he never had a coherent plan to build a great offense.

We've had to live for the past fifteen years with the Dolphins trying to duplicate the Ravens from their first superbowl. There is a reason nobody else has been able to do that. It's not good enough to have a good defense or even a great defense. You have to have a once in a century freakishly good defense to make that model work. The fundamental assumption behind that approach is flawed. And it is the approach that the Dolphins have been duplicating for the last fifteen years.

Just like I am giving Tannehill three seasons before drawing conclusions about whether or not he will be the answer at QB, I am willing to give Hickey as season or two before drawing conclusions about his effectiveness as GM. He spent this last off-season trying to patch together fixes to Jeff Ireland's mess. The fact that he hasn't been able to complete the job in one off-seasons says more about the state of the team that he inherited from Jeff Ireland than it does about Dennis Hickey's ability to build a team.

The huge amount of cap that Ireland left on the table and his Dion Jordan pick tells everything you need to know about Jeff Ireland's approach to offense. The Dion Jordan pick could have been two competent offensive starters but instead he drafts a defensive player into a position where the Dolphins have depth. It kind of reminds you of the Jamar Fletcher pick. Signing an additional CB when we already had Surtain and Madison.

 

[roy_miami]

We've had to live for the past fifteen years with the Dolphins trying to duplicate the Ravens from their first superbowl. There is a reason nobody else has been able to do that. It's not good enough to have a good defense or even a great defense. You have to have a once in a century freakishly good defense to make that model work. The fundamental assumption behind that approach is flawed. And it is the approach that the Dolphins have been duplicating for the last fifteen years.

It seems to me Philbin is the first coach we've had in a long time to try to get us out of that pattern. He has put together a team and philosophy that is ideally suited for an elite QB, and the second Tannehill becomes elite, if ever, the team will be ready for him. I think the process is going slower than even he himself would say is acceptable, thanks in part to Ireland of course, but if it all develops into what I'm imagining I'll gladly give him another year or two to grow into it. Whats a year compared to the decades of ground and pound with little results we've had to endure?

I'll take high variance with the chance to be terrible to great over a Jeff Fisher who tries to design a nice and steady 8-9 win team any day.

 

[Valandui]

Has he done anything to justify being ranked higher than that?

 

[z926538]

It seems to me Philbin is the first coach we've had in a long time to try to get us out of that pattern. He has put together a team and philosophy that is ideally suited for an elite QB, and the second Tannehill becomes elite, if ever, the team will be ready for him. I think the process is going slower than even he himself would say is acceptable, thanks in part to Ireland of course, but if it all develops into what I'm imagining I'll gladly give him another year or two to grow into it. Whats a year compared to the decades of ground and pound with little results we've had to endure?

I'll take high variance with the chance to be terrible to great over a Jeff Fisher who tries to design a nice and steady 8-9 win team any day.

I agree. We had quite a few 9-7 seasons with Marino as QB. Marino's 9-7 teams were much more enjoyable to watch than Wannstedt's 9-7 teams. Let's see what Lazor can do with this offense. Hopefully Tannehill will finally mature to be the QB that his draft position demands that he be and that the new tools provided by Hickey will make a difference.

 

[HoneyB]

Philbin was begging for a better LT option almost exactly a year ago while Martin was flaking out on the team. And we weren't exactly getting stellar QB play, Tannehill left a lot of plays on the field. This team was destined to have a below average offense, you simply can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****.

I keep asking people to show me a link that proves this wild theory that Philbin was banging the table for a LT, but I never see one. On the contrary, if a coach believes in an offensive lineman, he promotes him from RT to LT, like Philbin did. And if your opinion is that the offense is made out of chicken poop, then that's as much on Philbin as the GM. This is his quarterback, and his finesse offense.

 

[roy_miami]

I keep asking people to show me a link that proves this wild theory that Philbin was banging the table for a LT, but I never see one. On the contrary, if a coach believes in an offensive lineman, he promotes him from RT to LT, like Philbin did. And if your opinion is that the offense is made out of chicken poop, then that's as much on Philbin as the GM. This is his quarterback, and his finesse offense.

Yes, its a wild, crazy theory.... orrrrr common sense. You've seen this several times already and posted in the thread a bunch.

Last off season, coach Joe Philbin wasn't sold Martin was a capable left tackle and wanted a backup plan, two team sources said. Ireland thought the second-year player would develop and didn't make an expensive move for Kansas City veteran Branden Albert.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...nd-philbin-offensive-coordinator-mike-sherman

Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 3m
This is interesting: I'm told Philbin wanted to trade for Branden Albert last year but Ireland said Dolphins would be fine with Martin at LT

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread...e-for-Albert-Ireland-said-no&highlight=albert

 

[roy_miami]

On the contrary, if a coach believes in an offensive lineman, he promotes him from RT to LT, like Philbin did. And if your opinion is that the offense is made out of chicken poop, then that's as much on Philbin as the GM. This is his quarterback, and his finesse offense.

Promotes him? Jake Long became a free agent. Who else on the team was a better option at LT than Martin? That is a promotion as much as Tannehill playing QB was a promotion, he was the best player at the position that was available to him. This isn't madden, in the real world the coach has to work within the confines of the players on the roster. Being the best of a bunch of **** options does not mean he was fine with it.