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Joe Philbin ranks very low among the NFL’s best head coaches.

Philbin is in the bottom 1/4 of head coaches in performance. Seems very accurate to me...based on his past performance.

How you people contort that in your minds? The hate towards Philbin on this board by some just boggles the mind.

We were 8-8 and have modestly improved with each season. On the back of a young Qb?

If Philbin were a bottom 25% coach then we would have a 4-12 record. But we were 8-8.

So are you saying that we were an upper 25% roster with a bottom 25% coach?
 
How you people contort that in your minds? The hate towards Philbin on this board by some just boggles the mind.

We were 8-8 and have modestly improved with each season. On the back of a young Qb?

If Philbin were a bottom 25% coach then we would have a 4-12 record. But we were 8-8.

So are you saying that we were an upper 25% roster with a bottom 25% coach?

Philbin is the worst game day coach I have ever seen. I never see him "coaching" or communicating on the side line, with his players or staff.

Our team constantly looked lost during the majority of our season, with no direction.

Remember how flat we came out after our bye week?

Inexcusable...

Sorry, but Philbin is not HEAD COACH material.
 
Empty arguments.

Philbin is the worst game day coach I have ever seen. I never see him "coaching" or communicating on the side line, with his players or staff.

And you are basing these profound observations off of what? The keen view you have of Miami's sideline from your couch .

Our team constantly looked lost during the majority of our season, with no direction.

I disagree with you. I felt that the team was prepared on the majority of their games save for the loss to Tb where the team came out very badly.
It is pretty clear that Philbin had a plan.

If he is such a bad coach how are we 8-8?
Answer the question.

Because I have seen a team that is slowly improving from year in to year out.
I have seen a team that is finally able to compete with the elite team in the conference.
I see a coach who kept the team together despite one of the biggest, most time consuming, and energy sucking scandals in the history of the NFL.

Teams don't recover for what we do.

AND...
If you believe the retrospective reports we have a coach that looked to be right on a lot of our past personnel failures of out GM.
 
6-10 Marrone beat 8-8 (15-17) Philbin TWICE!!! As a matter of fact, Marrone is 2 for 2 against Philbin WITH A ******* PRACTICE SQUAD QB!!!! So yeah, I think its appropriate to have Marrone rated higher then Philbin.

Ahhh, so what you are saying is that against the rest of the league the Bills were only 4-10 whereas the Dolphins were 8-6, right?

I know which of the two I would prefer moving forward.

Looking at building contender, the Dolphins beat the Chargers (a playoff team), the Bengals (Northern Division Champs), the Colts (Southern Division Champs), and the Patriots (Eastern Division Champs) and didn't play the two Western teams. Those are some quality wins placing the team with a legitimate chance to contend in the future.

Who were the Bills quality wins against?

Yeah, Philbin at 27 and Kelly at 16 will look foolish a few years down the road. Both are significantly better than those erroneous rankings.
 
I would agree with all of the comments about the oddities on this list. Not so much with Philbin (although some of the folks ahead of him are surprising), but the other coaches and where they rank. This appears very random to me and it is almost impossible to compare a long time coach like Tomlin or Fox to a newer coach like Arians.

However, with that said, the value of this article is if Philbin reads it and gets ticked off by it! Could be a source of motivation. Otherwise.....not much value in it.
 
ck (New England) – Complain about his knack for building a roster if you’d like, but there’s no questioning Belichick’s ability to get the most out of the players on the field. This year’s 12-4 finish with an injury-laden team is proof.

2. Jim Harbaugh (San Francisco) – During his three seasons as an NFL head coach, his 49ers have been to three NFC Championship Games and one Super Bowl. That’s pretty hard to beat. All that’s missing is a title, which he has plenty of time to chase.

3. Pete Carroll (Seattle) – Under his watch, Seattle has gone from an irrelevant team in the Pacific Northwest to the talk of the league. That’s what happens when you win a Super Bowl with a swarming defense and a second-year quarterback.

4. Sean Payton (New Orleans) – Given that the Saints were an absolute train wreck during the season in which Payton was suspended for BountyGate, it’s not hard to figure out why he’s considered one of the most valuable head coaches in the league.

5. Tom Coughlin (New York Giants) – Sure, he’s constantly on the hot seat in New York, but that’s mainly due to the unrealistic media in the Big Apple. He’s won two Super Bowl titles in the past seven seasons; that’s nothing to scoff at.

6. Mike Tomlin (Pittsburgh) – When a coach has been to two Super Bowls and won one of them, fans have to be pretty confident that they have the right guy in charge. Tomlin’s message is still fresh, as is his rapport with the Steelers star players.

7. John Harbaugh (Baltimore) – Up until this season, when his roster was depleted by retirements, trades and injuries, Harbaugh’s Ravens were a shoo-in to be in the playoff mix. They figure to be there again next year, if history is any indication.

8. Andy Reid (Kansas City) – Getting to one NFC title game after another, plus one Super Bowl, in Philadelphia showed that Reid can coach. Transforming the Chiefs from 2-14 to a playoff team in his first year in Kansas City showed he’s elite.

9. Mike McCarthy (Green Bay) – Winning a Super Bowl title in Green Bay puts you in elite company. Capturing the NFC North title despite not having Aaron Rodgers for nearly half the season earns respect from those who really know the game.

10. Bruce Arians (Arizona) – He led the Colts to the playoffs in 2012 while filling in for Chuck Pagano on an interim basis. Then, he guided the Cardinals to a 10-6 mark during his first season in the Valley of the Sun. That’s a solid, recent track record.

11. Jeff Fisher (St. Louis) – All those years in Tennessee helped Fisher become a well-respected coach, but the fact remains that it’s been a long time since one of his teams was a true contender. Kevin Dyson was a yard short 14 years ago.

12. Ken Whisenhunt (Tennessee) – It’s hard not to be impressed by a résumé that includes leading a perennial also-ran (Arizona) to the Super Bowl and resurrecting the career of Philip Rivers in San Diego. The guy knows offense.

13. Lovie Smith (Tampa Bay) – When you go to a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman as your quarterback, it’s pretty good evidence that you’re a heckuva head coach. If you can make the playoffs with Mike Glennon, it might prove that you’re a genius.

14. Chuck Pagano (Indianapolis) – Back-to-back playoff seasons are impressive, but Pagano needs to prove that he can get the Colts to the next level. Making that leap, into true contender status, is the great separator for head coaches.

15. Ron Rivera (Carolina) – While the way his Panthers rallied after a slow start to the season to ultimately win the NFC South was definitely impressive. But there’s a reason why people were once calling for Rivera’s head; he’s still a work in progress.

16. Chip Kelly (Philadelphia) – Eagles fans have to be encouraged by the way Kelly’s team got better as season one went along, as well as the way he was able to turn Nick Foles into a polished and poised NFL quarterback. Now, let’s see a repeat.

17. Rex Ryan (New York Jets) – He did a nice job this season, finishing 8-8 with a rookie quarterback and virtually no weapons on offense. But at some point, there has to be concern about his ability to develop signal callers in a QB-driven league.

18. Mike McCoy (San Diego) – He fixed Philip Rivers, something many didn’t think was possible, which helped the Chargers turn into a surprise playoff team during his first season. If 2014 has another uptick, McCoy’s stature will rise even more.

19. John Fox (Denver) – It’s trendy to bash Fox right now, but the guy has won three consecutive AFC West titles, with polar opposite quarterbacks (Tim Tebow and Peyton Manning) and led two different teams to the Super Bowl.

20. Bill O’Brien (Houston) – Yes, he has no head coaching experience. But he worked wonders at Penn State, keeping a terrible situation from turning into a complete dumpster fire. That shows that he knows how keep his team’s focus on the game.

21. Mike Smith (Atlanta) – Up until this season, a coach who most NFL fans wouldn’t recognize if he was walking through the airport was doing just fine. But when a rash of injuries struck the Falcons in 2013, he couldn’t keep the train on track.

22. Marvin Lewis (Cincinnati) – To some extent, Lewis deserves credit for doing something with the Bengals that no other coach has been able to do, making the postseason three years in a row. But his inability to win once there is now a trend.

23. Gus Bradley (Jacksonville) – Despite starting off the season dismally (0-8), Bradley was able to keep spirits high. As a result, his Jaguars responded in the second half, finishing the season with a better-than-expected 4-12 record.

24. Marc Trestman (Chicago) – Staying in contention despite having to play Josh McCown at quarterback for multiple games was impressive. Benching the hot hand when Jay Cutler returned from injury wasn’t. Still to early to tell with the Bears HC.

25. Jason Garrett (Dallas) – At some point, a coach is what his record says he is; and if that’s the case, Garrett is the epitome of mediocre. He hasn’t shown that he can lead the Cowboys to anything beyond an 8-8 season.

26. Doug Marrone (Buffalo) – He had to deal with a lot of drama (Jairus Byrd) and injuries (namely at quarterback) in his first season, so Marrone gets somewhat of a pass for the Bills 6-10 finish. Plus, his team played hard right until the very end.

27. Joe Philbin (Miami) – Talk about a mixed bag in 2013. Yes, he kept things on track during the Richie Incognito / Jonathan Martin sage. But he also captained a ship that blew two golden opportunities late in the season to earn a playoff berth.

28. Mike Zimmer (Minnesota) – The well-respected d-coordinator finally gets his chance with the Vikings. But there has to be some concern that despite his résumé, it took Zimmer this long to land a head job. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

29. Dennis Allen (Oakland) – The way the Raiders fell apart in 2013, looking like a team that had no idea how to play the game by season’s end, raises serious questions about Allen’s ability to lead a football team.

30. Jay Gruden (Washington) – People in D.C. hope that he can follow in the footsteps of his coaching brother, but Gruden has a lot to prove. He’s never been a head coach before, plus his offense in Cincinnati went dormant in the postseason.

31. Jim Caldwell (Detroit) – When his Colts team was forced to play the 2011 season without Peyton Manning, they didn’t just struggle; they collapsed. Couple that with the Ravens terrible 2013 season with Caldwell as their OC and this is a weird hire.

32. Mike Pettine (Cleveland) – Okay, perhaps the fact that he worked with Rex Ryan in New York is a reason for optimism. But the fact remains that the guy who led Buffalo’s defense to a mediocre 2013 season is a totally unproven commodity.

Thanks for posting.

I don't usually care for rankings of things that don't need to be ranked. How Jeff Fisher is how high he is is beyond me. Oh well, I'll live.
 
McCoy got his team to the second round of the playoffs in his first year. Already makes him better than Philbin


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Well McCoy "got" the team to the playoffs because Baltimore and Miami both blew the last game of the season so realistically McCoy and San Diego needed other teams to fold to have a chance.
 
Well McCoy "got" the team to the playoffs because Baltimore and Miami both blew the last game of the season so realistically McCoy and San Diego needed other teams to fold to have a chance.

Your point is? should he be lower than Joe b/c Joe's team failed and his team took advantage?
 
Up to about 20 it was acceptable but the it got kind of idi0tic.

I would rank Philbin at 20 on there, not a spot higher.
 
I don't know, the last two weeks of the season reflected very poorly on Philbin.

Yup, everyone know to judge a HC, you look at the last two games of the season, not what he did the entire season, or in what type if situations he did them in.
 
Yup, everyone know to judge a HC, you look at the last two games of the season, not what he did the entire season, or in what type if situations he did them in.

when looking at the entire season he failed. he had a team capable of making the postseason and failed to get there.
 
when looking at the entire season he failed. he had a team capable of making the postseason and failed to get there.

Actually no, considering what he had to deal with the entire season, losing one of his probably starting WR (Binns), losing his starting TE (Keller), his O-line played horrible, Bullygate, losing a receiver Tannehill was starting to have huge success with (Gibson), a defense that after the bye in the 2nd half of games started to look very tired.

Of course you are going to say he failed, and in way he did, with the way the team lost those two games at the end of the season, but if you look at all that occurred, it's amazing Miami was in that situation to start with.
 
Actually no, considering what he had to deal with the entire season, losing one of his probably starting WR (Binns), losing his starting TE (Keller), his O-line played horrible, Bullygate, losing a receiver Tannehill was starting to have huge success with (Gibson), a defense that after the bye in the 2nd half of games started to look very tired.

Of course you are going to say he failed, and in way he did, with the way the team lost those two games at the end of the season, but if you look at all that occurred, it's amazing Miami was in that situation to start with.

Binns was never starting.

injuries are part of the game, look at what NE lost.

he did a good job keeping the team together during the controversy but when the games were biggest his team didn't even show up. That tells us more than anything else. if they win those last 2 I think he could have been a COY candidate but they didn't compete in either game.

Rex lost Jenkins, Washington, Leonhard, etc..., had a million controversies w/ Alosi, foot fetish, etc... did that stop him from having his teams ready to play?
 
That list is full retard. How in the **** is Jeff Fisher ahead of Chip Kelly or Jon Fox? How is Jason Garrett not 31st or 32nd?
 
It is disingenuous to paint Rex's 8-8 as a success and Philbins as a failure.

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