John Clayton just reported Ricky will not become a Free Agent

[BlueFin]

I don't think us getting his rights is a big deal. I don't think he will come back to football. Still, I'm happy we still have them just in case.

Are you kidding? With no money left he'll be back as fast as you can say "pass the bong"

 

[FanMarino]

Him being a free agent aint the problem. Him being a Free Spirit IS!! dont think anybody knows what hes gonna do and i seriously doubt if he does!:eek: This cud go on for some time yet viwers so dont touch that dial.

 

[BlueFin]

Him being a free agent aint the problem. Him being a Free Spirit IS!! dont think anybody knows what hes gonna do and i seriously doubt if he does!:eek: This cud go on for some time yet viwers so dont touch that dial.

BS.........Ricky can talk all the free spirit crap all he wants when he's a millionaire, when he can't pay his frigging bills he'll play football....watch

 

[Dphins4me]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dphins4me

Bankruptcy lawyers are known for not knowing crap about bankruptcy


and then you say...


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Originally Posted by Dphins4me
If a bankruptcy lawyers says it can happen, then I'll take his word
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Sarcasm on the first one.

 

[Dphins4me]

They were told today they had the right to seek repayment regardless of Ricky's bankruptcy filings, if and when they do happen. Bottom line, whether Ricky files for bankruptcy or not he still owes Miami 8.6 mill. That was the point of todays hearings which you obviously don't get.

The hearing was about whether or not RW owes the money. He does. Now he does not owe it until Miami seeks it. If they do, and he files then just because an abritator ruled he owes it, does not mean he cannot get out from under the debt. RW will lose just about everything doing this.

Ricky could never play a down of football and declare bankruptcy and he still owes Miami 8.6 mill. Filing for bankruptcy in this case doesn't mean he doesn't owe Miami the money. That's what YOU don't get. Bankruptcy law doesn't protect him in this case other than his individual creditors..

If RW files and it is granted, then he will be able to play football.

According to media reports, Ricky has 6 mill. He owes that to Miami effective today. In order to pay back the other 2.6 mill, which will be agreed upon by the same arbitrator that made the decision today, Ricky will have ex amount of time to do so. If not, he's going to jail for not doing so since it will obviously be concluded that he DOES have the employment opportunity to do so and that it by playing football...

RW is not going to jail over this.

 

[Crisdeman]

We are not talking about RW simply retiring and paying back the money he owes the team. If RW did that then Miami retains his right.

If RW files bankruptcy then it CAN changes that simple rule.

The point Barry never filed for bankruptcy protection (Not that RW has) but if he does and it is granted then his contract could be voided and if it is then RW would no longer be under contract to Miami.

So now my question. How can Miami retain his right when they have no contract to enforce? Detriot still had a contract to enforce on Barry.

Rights are tied to contract and bargined between the NFL & NFLPA.

They have said if a player is no longer under contract and has 4 or more years of service then that player is a FA.

You keep harping on a very unlikely possibility and seem to think its a much more definite than it actually is. There has never been a contract voided due to a bankruptcy filing in the nfl. What makes u think this pot smoking, man-boy loving, retard is going to get out of his contact when plenty of others havent been able to.

You also seem to think that the NFL would just sit there and let all this happen, not very likely since the voided conract would turn the league on its head an let any jackass get out of his contract by simply filing for bankruptcy. I guarantee if he tries to get out of the contact with the bankruptcy crap miami will still have his rights and anyone who wants him will have to come to them.

 

[NYNCDOLFAN]

Says his rights still belong to Miami even if he files for bankruptcy. Poor Ricky. Looks like he'll have to come back and play just to pay Miami back.

AWESOME NEWS!!! SCREW RICKY!!!!! I'LL TAKE A FIRST AND THIRD FOR HIS SORRY ***!!!!

 

[Dphins4me]

You keep harping on a very unlikely possibility and seem to think its a much more definite than it actually is. There has never been a contract voided due to a bankruptcy filing in the nfl. What makes u think this pot smoking, man-boy loving, retard is going to get out of his contact when plenty of others havent been able to.

Yes, it is unlikely. However it is possible.

You also seem to think that the NFL would just sit there and let all this happen,

The NFL has no say in what a US Bankruptcy Court rules. You guys at like the NFL is all power. Sorry to break the news but the NFL does not rule the US.

not very likely since the voided conract would turn the league on its head an let any jackass get out of his contract by simply filing for bankruptcy.

What you seem to have missed is bankruptcy is granted. You can file all day long. Does not mean you will get it. So players would have to prove there is a need.

I guarantee if he tries to get out of the contact with the bankruptcy crap miami will still have his rights and anyone who wants him will have to come to them.

If the contract is voided then Miami nor the NFL has a say in his rights. That part has already been barginned with the NFLPA. RW meets the criteria of being a UFA. He would be one.

We are going to disagree on this, so lets just see how it plays out. RW may never have to file.

 

[Hostile 17]

I've only been here a week, but is there a way I can setup a filter to block all the posts by Dphins4me?

Otherwise, this forum rules!

 

[MikeAlias]

Says his rights still belong to Miami even if he files for bankruptcy. Poor Ricky. Looks like he'll have to come back and play just to pay Miami back.

Do you have a link, or is it from the tele?

 

[PhinBeck]

Yes, and so would Miami if RW simply paid the money back.

However filing bankruptcy can change everything.

Not necessarily. Depends on the language in the contract and the point in law that he is fighting. The lawyer would actually have to find a loophole or a vague area of teh law to argue, because the law addresses creiditor relationships and not NFL Rights. Roby's case may have been diff. Sanders case may be diff. But Clayton may not be a lawyer, but he would not pull the info out of his azz, he would have got it from somewhere. There are more examples of teams going after the money and retaining the rights then there are filing for bankruptcy and becoming a FA. If that was all that needed to be done, then every playuer would do it. The CBA may adress this and same as teh ruling for Clarrett is what prevents it. They could have modified the CBA after Roby.

Dphins I am sorry man but you backpeddled badly, you didnt say chance you said he would be free. Or at a minimum you didnt clearly state your opinion.

 

[PhinBeck]

Yes, it is unlikely. However it is possible.


The NFL has no say in what a US Bankruptcy Court rules. You guys at like the NFL is all power. Sorry to break the news but the NFL does not rule the US.



What you seem to have missed is bankruptcy is granted. You can file all day long. Does not mean you will get it. So players would have to prove there is a need.



If the contract is voided then Miami nor the NFL has a say in his rights. That part has already been barginned with the NFLPA. RW meets the criteria of being a UFA. He would be one.

We are going to disagree on this, so lets just see how it plays out. RW may never have to file.

No the NFL does not own the US but courts do not make laws. Your getting bold again. There is no specifics in the bankruptcy laws and the CBA which is a contract governs playing rights. Filing bankruptcy doesn not necessarily change the playing rights and make a player a UFA, sorry to burst that bubble. Unless the CBA and NFL rules included in CBA violate Federal laws, then the court will not supercede this CONTRACT. Bankruptcy eliminates the debt if file chapt 7, total liquidation, doesnt eliminate the CBA.

 

[Dphins4me]

Not necessarily. Depends on the language in the contract and the point in law that he is fighting. The lawyer would actually have to find a loophole or a vague area of teh law to argue, because the law addresses creiditor relationships and not NFL Rights.

Never said bankruptcy could do anything for his NFL rights.

I have said that he will be a UFA since he meets the criteria set forth by the NFL/NFLPA of being one.

But Clayton may not be a lawyer, but he would not pull the info out of his azz, he would have got it from somewhere.

The way I took JC report was he was talking about him filing and not what might happen in court. Just the way I took it.

There are more examples of teams going after the money and retaining the rights then there are filing for bankruptcy and becoming a FA.

His NFL rights have nothing to do with his bankruptcy. Never said they did.

All I have ever said if he files and his contract is voided then he will be a FA. Miami would lose his rights since he now has a expired contract.

If that was all that needed to be done, then every playuer would do it. The CBA may adress this and same as teh ruling for Clarrett is what prevents it. They could have modified the CBA after Roby.

Now that is something to think about. If they barginned that if a players contract is voided in bankruptcy that his rights still belonged to the team, then RW rights would still be held by Miami.

That would be the only way though.

Dphins I am sorry man but you backpeddled badly, you didnt say chance you said he would be free. Or at a minimum you didnt clearly state your opinion.

Never back peddled. I never said that just filing would make him a FA. I've stated that time and time again.

I did and have said. If his contract is voided in bankruptcy court then he will become a UFA since he meets the guidelines barginned with the NFLPA.

 

[Dphins4me]

No the NFL does not own the US but courts do not make laws. Your getting bold again. There is no specifics in the bankruptcy laws and the CBA which is a contract governs playing rights. Filing bankruptcy doesn not necessarily change the playing rights and make a player a UFA, sorry to burst that bubble. Unless the CBA and NFL rules included in CBA violate Federal laws, then the court will not supercede this CONTRACT. Bankruptcy eliminates the debt if file chapt 7, total liquidation, doesnt eliminate the CBA.

Like I posted above. Unless it has been barginned (EFA/RFA) then RW would be one.

However it would have to have been barginned and that is something I doubt any of us know whether or not they have.

 

[FireWrongstedt]

Ah, some good news. Nice to hear. So the a--hole has to give back all the money, we can still get something for him, and he can't determine where he plays- I LOVE it!!