Jon Martin Thoughts?
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I would be open to giving him the opportunity to make the roster. However, if he didn't show significant improvement, I'd cut him. He was underperforming badly at the time of incident.
I'm still of the belief that he had a mini breakdown. Many mental health disorders like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder can be successfully treated with the correct medication. Some people who are bipolar don't like taking their medication because they get their kicks out of their manic state.
I don't know what happened but I'm inclined to believe Richie's Dad when he made comments to the effect that Martin was suicidal. I'm pretty sure that J-Mart is embarrassed about his public implosion but I'd give him the chance to show what he can do (especially without Incognito in the room).
While most have embraced the "Martin's a snake" theory, I would not be surprised if Coach Philbin sticks his neck out to give J-Mart a second chance.
I'm still of the belief that he had a mini breakdown. Many mental health disorders like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder can be successfully treated with the correct medication. Some people who are bipolar don't like taking their medication because they get their kicks out of their manic state.
I don't know what happened but I'm inclined to believe Richie's Dad when he made comments to the effect that Martin was suicidal. I'm pretty sure that J-Mart is embarrassed about his public implosion but I'd give him the chance to show what he can do (especially without Incognito in the room).
While most have embraced the "Martin's a snake" theory, I would not be surprised if Coach Philbin sticks his neck out to give J-Mart a second chance.
Not interested in soft football players.....he ruined the season and I hope the entire league shuns him
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Well said, and agreed. Martin did not spend his own time and money to go to the farm to get stronger and better to quit. That would be silly.
No integrity what so ever. He put himself in every way in front of the team. He sold a fellow teammate out and tried to paint a picture as a victim, when he contributed just as much if not more than anyone else to his supposed situation. Complete dirt bag who we do not need on this team as we try to move forward from a disappointing season. I would take a conditional 7th rounder for him in a heartbeat!
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Did Ricky Williams not do the same?
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Ricky Williams did not make excuses up and blame everything on his teammates. The comparison is not reasonable.
Look. If I even forget about the whole Martin-gate thing...HE STILL SUCKS! Cut his ass!
I think we should cut him, and sign his sister...
http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?346879-Martin-s-Sister-A-Bogus-Story
http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?346879-Martin-s-Sister-A-Bogus-Story
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we will never know why Ricky walked away exactly but he had a right to do it. He was well respected and came back and worked hard.
I will always be mad that Ricky caused us to draft Ronnie Brown one round too high and trade a third for Lamar Gordon. Might be among our worst trades. Give me your third string back we give u our 3rd. Well we gave 2nd for 3ed string qb Feeley
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I recall Ricky being ripped by team mates, and forums, along with all the media, and my memory is VG. He did quit when our team had no time to try and replace him, and how does he have that right when Martin does not?
I support Martin but there's no logic in keeping him. There's more danger with the fan base than lockerroom. The type of animosity that has been so prevalent here would transfer to the stadium and the talk shows, if he were retained. Can you imagine the reaction when he gave up a sack? Ross can't afford that type of thing at his already troubled home game atmosphere.
I think the most likely path is Martin is released or traded for a 7th round pick. Probably the former. There is no lawsuit and he resumes his career elsewhere as a moderate to below average tackle.
Stanford is currently my favorite team in college football. Style, not allegiance. I could watch only their game every week and be satisfied. When we drafted Martin I supported it, although I preferred Mitchell Schwartz, who was picked by Cleveland a few spots earlier. I was convinced Philbin wasn't bluffing and would take an offensive lineman in the second round. I remember posting in the draft forum approaching that pick and saying confidently that it would be an offensive lineman.
David Shaw was quite candid before the draft that Martin's ability to play left tackle in the NFL was questionable, due to less than terrific agility. It was surprising from a player's head coach. I remember spotlighting that quote. But Stanford is nothing but tough. I thought we were getting a slice of Stanford, and rugged football.
Obviously that was a gaffe. Martin quickly looked like an awkward goof. I remember likening him to junior high or high school kids in gym class who really want to be good athletes and know what they are supposed to do but can't translate it from mind to limb. Martin lacked natural knee bend and had very poor coordination between his lower and upper body, causing him to lose balance all the time. I remember posting that he was the Chad Henne of linemen, from my perspective, because I also supported Henne out of college before getting a look at his skill set and changing my mind almost immediately. That's a weakness on this site, IMO, posters who hang on to hope and apology too long solely because the player is ours. We'd be laughing at them in a different uniform.
Martin's one strength was he'd keep his feet moving. Particularly at left tackle, where he's not good but at least he's more natural. Run blocking was always hopeless, due to lack of explosion and athletic ability. Weight won't help at all when he's simply an outmatched athlete. He'll lunge forward and miss the target. Opponent's biggest obstacle is not to laugh.
Martin is competent only against weak foes. I attended the Buffalo game in late 2012. Martin had a good game but Buffalo wasn't motivated for that game. I suspect they realized that Gailey was a lame duck coach and Fitzpatrick was a lame duck quarterback. Miami dominated the majority of the game. I posted that Martin played well but I'd have to check against the Patriots a week later. He was overmatched. IMO, that will be a career long tendency. You only start Jonathan Martin at tackle if your aspirations aren't particularly high or the roster is so depleted you have no other option.
I didn't know much about Jonathan Martin prior to the 2012 draft. Jeff Ireland was supposed to know everything.
I think the most likely path is Martin is released or traded for a 7th round pick. Probably the former. There is no lawsuit and he resumes his career elsewhere as a moderate to below average tackle.
Stanford is currently my favorite team in college football. Style, not allegiance. I could watch only their game every week and be satisfied. When we drafted Martin I supported it, although I preferred Mitchell Schwartz, who was picked by Cleveland a few spots earlier. I was convinced Philbin wasn't bluffing and would take an offensive lineman in the second round. I remember posting in the draft forum approaching that pick and saying confidently that it would be an offensive lineman.
David Shaw was quite candid before the draft that Martin's ability to play left tackle in the NFL was questionable, due to less than terrific agility. It was surprising from a player's head coach. I remember spotlighting that quote. But Stanford is nothing but tough. I thought we were getting a slice of Stanford, and rugged football.
Obviously that was a gaffe. Martin quickly looked like an awkward goof. I remember likening him to junior high or high school kids in gym class who really want to be good athletes and know what they are supposed to do but can't translate it from mind to limb. Martin lacked natural knee bend and had very poor coordination between his lower and upper body, causing him to lose balance all the time. I remember posting that he was the Chad Henne of linemen, from my perspective, because I also supported Henne out of college before getting a look at his skill set and changing my mind almost immediately. That's a weakness on this site, IMO, posters who hang on to hope and apology too long solely because the player is ours. We'd be laughing at them in a different uniform.
Martin's one strength was he'd keep his feet moving. Particularly at left tackle, where he's not good but at least he's more natural. Run blocking was always hopeless, due to lack of explosion and athletic ability. Weight won't help at all when he's simply an outmatched athlete. He'll lunge forward and miss the target. Opponent's biggest obstacle is not to laugh.
Martin is competent only against weak foes. I attended the Buffalo game in late 2012. Martin had a good game but Buffalo wasn't motivated for that game. I suspect they realized that Gailey was a lame duck coach and Fitzpatrick was a lame duck quarterback. Miami dominated the majority of the game. I posted that Martin played well but I'd have to check against the Patriots a week later. He was overmatched. IMO, that will be a career long tendency. You only start Jonathan Martin at tackle if your aspirations aren't particularly high or the roster is so depleted you have no other option.
I didn't know much about Jonathan Martin prior to the 2012 draft. Jeff Ireland was supposed to know everything.
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No way. This organization would be ripping open a scab. It won't happen. So much time has been invested to get this mess away from us, there's no way they bring one half of it back.
I really believe the locker room would always have a feeling to watch themselves, peek over their back, wonder-even for a minute- if Martin is keeping tabs on them. It's cancer, and no team would ever reinsert cancer.
I really believe the locker room would always have a feeling to watch themselves, peek over their back, wonder-even for a minute- if Martin is keeping tabs on them. It's cancer, and no team would ever reinsert cancer.