Just watched the game DON'T UNDERSTAND the frustration with Tannehill

[truedolfan57]

Forget last year. Where is the improvement this year? Tannehill led the team to 3 points in almost 3 1/2 quarters against the worst defense in football in a game in which he received both excellent pass protection and a solid running game. Don't tell me that the Sims fumble is 100% responsible for the putrid performance. There is no evidence to suggest that Tannehill is progressing.

come back when they play a meaningful game.

btw, i'd say the same thing if he threw 4 td's this preseason. doesn't mean anything, until the games matter.

 

[LDaniel7]

Anyone hating on Tannehill must be so delusional about how young QBs develop. Or, how NOT to develop young QBs.

How to kill young QBs:

1. Place them behind a horrid OL.
2. Give them a roster full of possession WRs in a league that demands playmakers.
3. Take away RBs that can create on their own.
4. Take away RBs and TEs that can block well.
5. Ensure that they have no downfield threats at TE.
6. Give them an offensive coordinator that is out of his league in the NFL.
7. Give them a QB coach that has his job because he knows someone.

And the result? A QB that is ruined.

It's a vast testament to the fortitude of Ryan Tannehill that he's still got as much upside as he does.

Everyone saying, "This is all on Tannehill," "This is his year make or break" act as if the first two years were true development years w. actual talent around him!

Some people are so freakin' clueless that it's just mind-boggling. Can't argue w. people like that.

LD

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Forget last year. Where is the improvement this year? Tannehill led the team to 3 points in almost 3 1/2 quarters against the worst defense in football in a game in which he received both excellent pass protection and a solid running game. Don't tell me that the Sims fumble is 100% responsible for the putrid performance. There is no evidence to suggest that Tannehill is progressing.

This year hasn't started yet, but if you want to count preseason, his QB rating is 5 points higher. But, if the facts don't fit, ignore them.

 

[NJ Dolphan]

not even going to argue with you. tannehill had the 10th most passing yards. not even going to read the rest of your post. please, just stop arguing about something you know nothing about.

BWHAH!!! The fact that Tannehill was 10th in passing yards, but the team was 20th in passing yards makes it even worse. Hmm, why would that be... it's because other teams had to play different QBs during the course of the year, either because of injury or performance while Tannehill played virtually every snap of every game. He had more passing yards than Aaron Rodgers for that very reason.

It seems like basic statistics and logic are things you know nothing about.

 

[nyashfan]

I respectfully disagree that the third preseason game is not meaningful. It may be meaningless to Brees, Brady or Manning, but not RyanTannehill.

come back when they play a meaningful game.

btw, i'd say the same thing if he threw 4 td's this preseason. doesn't mean anything, until the games matter.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

BWHAH!!! The fact that Tannehill was 10th in passing yards, but the team was 20th in passing yards makes it even worse. Hmm, why would that be... i

Also because of yards lost by sacks, Sherlock.

They are removed from the team totals but not the individual totals. Didn't you notice that the team passed for fewer yards than Tannehill.

 

[truedolfan57]

Also because of yards lost by sacks, Sherlock.

They are removed from the team totals but not the individual totals. Didn't you notice that the team passed for fewer yards than Tannehill.

i was going to fill him in on tannehill total passing yards is over 39k, yet the team total is around 35k. but that would probably go over his head.

 

[psfign]

Forget last year. Where is the improvement this year? Tannehill led the team to 3 points in almost 3 1/2 quarters against the worst defense in football in a game in which he received both excellent pass protection and a solid running game. Don't tell me that the Sims fumble is 100% responsible for the putrid performance. There is no evidence to suggest that Tannehill is progressing.

Lol Wow! Even Omar is saying RT is progressing! You base your stance on one example and you're going to fail every time! Have you been asleep for the rest of the offseason?!

 

[NJ Dolphan]

Also because of yards lost by sacks, Sherlock.

They are removed from the team totals but not the individual totals. Didn't you notice that the team passed for fewer yards than Tannehill.

By how much, and compared to how many yards other teams lost to sacks, all of whom, by definition would have lost yards to some extent? These are questions you have to answer, and this doesn't count how many of those sacks were because of Tannehill himself. So, just to pick another QB that played every snap of every game, Tom Brady lost about 256 yards presumably to sacks. Tanehill lost about 346. So compared to one guy, Tannehill lost 90 yards for the entire season to sacks above another QB I picked out of hat.

It's telling why you ignored the basic point, which is that Tannehill's individual passing yards look better than the actual result because other teams split their snaps between different QBs.

 

[mwestberry]

In the last 5 seasons, 14 teams have given up 50 or more sacks. The Dolphins' total of 58 is the highest. The average number of wins by those teams is 6.5. Only 4 teams had more than 8 wins. Those teams were:

2012 Packers (11), 2010 Bears (11), 2009 Packers (11), 2009 Steelers (9).

A few key points:

1. Rodgers is considered by some to be the best QB in the league. He has two of those seasons.
2. The Bears in 2011 only scored 1 point per game more than the Dolphins and Cutler's numbers on the season were very close to Tannehill's. That team was driven by defense. They only allowed 286 points.
3. The Steelers missed the playoffs in 2009. In 2008 and 2010 they went to the SB (won it in 2008). IMO, a SB quality team was done in by SACKS.
4. The Packers, Bears, and Steelers all ran the ball better than the Dolphins.

If you eliminate the outliers of the two Packers seasons and the Bears season, the average number of wins is 5.3.

Of the young QBs that played on those teams, Tannehill was by far the best performer. In 2011, Sam Bradford had a QB rating of 70 and didn't finish the season. John Skelton had a QB rating of 69 in 2011 and 55 in 2012. In 2010, Jimmy Clausen had a QB rating of 58 and Matt Moore had a QB rating of 56.

At this point we can conclude that Tannehill is not as good in his 2nd season as Rodgers was in his 5th or 8th seasons, or as good as Roethlisberger was in his 6th season. Big deal.

Of all those QBs, Tannehill had the worst pass blocking. Of the teams that had records of 8-8 or better, Miami had the fewest rushing yards.

I simply cannot understand how fans can put the majority of the blame on Tannehill.

Great job on the statistical homework!! I am not putting the majority of the blame on tannehill....He is just not a playmaker and he has yet to prove he is anything more than average. The entire team is void of playmakers and leadership IMO including the owner and the coaching staff until out of somewhere we collect the players with swagger and confidence that consistently back it up with great play.

The team also lacks identity. When you look at teams that are consistently successful you see players that make a positive impact week in and week out. You see coaches with a certain tenacity or fire in them. You see teams that either on offense or defense have the ability to pound you to pieces or blow you out....they create turnovers...score points on offense, defense and special teams...Our beloved Dolphins do not. Thill happens to be playing the one position that stands out the most...

.After all if we get 60-70 plays on offense per game he has the ball in his hands 60-70 times barring injury or some fluke play...He has to step up or he will be an average qb with great potential

 

[truedolfan57]

By how much, and compared to how many yards other teams lost to sacks, all of whom, by definition would have lost yards to some extent? These are questions you have to answer, and this doesn't count how many of those sacks were because of Tannehill himself. So, just to pick another QB that played every snap of every game, Tom Brady lost about 256 yards presumably to sacks. Tanehill lost about 346. So compared to one guy, Tannehill lost 90 yards for the entire season to sacks above another QB I picked out of hat.

It's telling why you ignored the basic point, which is that Tannehill's individual passing yards look better than the actual result because other teams split their snaps between different QBs.

other than Rodgers, how many other QB's split time...enough to predict that they will more than likely have more than 39k yards? enough to put tannehill in the bottom? hell no. your argument is retarded.

 

[insomnia411]

The problem with Tannehill's deep throwing is extremely puzzling and I've never seen anything like it. I've never seen a QB with the ability to make every throw on the field no problem, can make extremely athletic plays with his legs as well, but then he just sucks out loud at throwing a go route. Whatever the problem, disconnect or miscommunication is, they'd better get it figured out fast.
Obviously it wasn't all on Tanny that we missed the playoffs last year at all, but if he was hitting his go routes, we absolutely would have won at least one more game (Carolina comes to mind) and made it.

 

[mwestberry]

Correction: I did not "decide' to "debate" anything..merely to factually correct an assumption sometimes used to suggest that the QB is a fish out of water. And hopefully take it off the table going forward.. It was a statement of fact that's not refutable.

If you wish to "debate" Tannehill's relative abilities, fine, but if you're suggesting that he's a recycled wide end (which incidentally he did very well) instead of his natural position going back to high school being that of quarterback, consider yourself corrected. Hopefully going forward, as a result you won't resort to using that fallacy as ammunition. Incorrectly citing that can only diminish and impugn the perceived objectivity and credibility of what you may be contending. You're welcome.

Nice!! I stated in my post I wasn't sure if a converted qb had ever made it big time or something close to that. So I stand corrected on that. Thank you for clearing it up.
I was probably inwardly making an excuse for thill's lack of ability to be a playmaker so far. It doesn't matter to me what position he played in high school or college. It does make a difference to me that he is our qb and so far he has not been able to show a command presence or take over a game....at least not consistently.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

The problem with Tannehill's deep throwing is extremely puzzling and I've never seen anything like it. I've never seen a QB with the ability to make every throw on the field no problem, can make extremely athletic plays with his legs as well, but then he just sucks out loud at throwing a go route. Whatever the problem, disconnect or miscommunication is, they'd better get it figured out fast.
Obviously it wasn't all on Tanny that we missed the playoffs last year at all, but if he was hitting his go routes, we absolutely would have won at least one more game (Carolina comes to mind) and made it.

Carolina is a bad example. I'm not going to disagree that he did a bad job of hitting Mike Wallace on go routes last year, but Carolina was actually the one game where he DID have success on them.

 

[truedolfan57]

The problem with Tannehill's deep throwing is extremely puzzling and I've never seen anything like it. I've never seen a QB with the ability to make every throw on the field no problem, can make extremely athletic plays with his legs as well, but then he just sucks out loud at throwing a go route. Whatever the problem, disconnect or miscommunication is, they'd better get it figured out fast.
Obviously it wasn't all on Tanny that we missed the playoffs last year at all, but if he was hitting his go routes, we absolutely would have won at least one more game (Carolina comes to mind) and made it.

except for the fact that tannehill is 40% on deep routes, which is average among the nfl, last season. according to a chart that was posted in this thread.