Kelly wasn't bad

[Justasportsfan]

Jim Kelly is one of the biggest chokers in the history of the NFL. Just look at his Superbowl numbers.

and Marino was Kelly's biggest b!tch. What's your point?

 

[SCall13]

and Marino was Kelly's biggest b!tch. What's your point?

yeah, Jim Kelly single-handedly beat Marino. :shakeno: Last I checked Kelly had something that Marino didn't: An outstanding running game and a very very good defense.

 

[buffaloruss]

go fins-i admire dan marino but do you really want to talk superbowl numbers

 

[go_fins]

and Marino was Kelly's biggest b!tch. What's your point?

not quite, Marino didn't play directly againts Kelly, so you really can't say that. Marino did his part in the playoffs, it was the team that lost those games. And the point is that Kelly is a fraud, he should never be in the HOF with these kind of numbers in the SB:

Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT
---------------------+------------------------

*1990 nyg L,19-20 | 18 30 212 0 0
*1991 was L,24-37 | 28 58 275 2 4
*1992 dal L,17-52 | 4 7 82 0 2
*1993 dal L,13-30 | 31 50 260 0 1

7 interceptions to 2 touchdowns :rofl3: That's what you call having raisins where two big ones should be :eek:

 

[Justasportsfan]

yeah, Jim Kelly single-handedly beat Marino. :shakeno: Last I checked Kelly had something that Marino didn't: An outstanding running game and a very very good defense.

Yeah,yeah so what was go_fins' point?

 

[buffaloruss]

go fins has no point

 

[Justasportsfan]

not quite, Marino didn't play directly againts Kelly, so you really can't say that. Marino did his part in the playoffs, it was the team that lost those games. And the point is that Kelly is a fraud, he should never be in the HOF with these kind of numbers in the SB:

Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT
---------------------+------------------------

*1990 nyg L,19-20 | 18 30 212 0 0
*1991 was L,24-37 | 28 58 275 2 4
*1992 dal L,17-52 | 4 7 82 0 2
*1993 dal L,13-30 | 31 50 260 0 1

7 interceptions to 2 touchdowns :rofl3: That's what you call having raisins where two big ones should be :eek:

Okay let me rephrase that, Marino was the bills b!tch onthe way to the sb. I'm still waiting for your point about Kelly and the sb.

Let me guess, the point you were trying to make is that Marino wished he had a chance to choke in the sb? :confused:

 

[MischiefDolphin]

When I think of the greatest QBs from when I was growing up Jim Kelly is up at the top 5. The Man was a master general. He turned it into an art form.

Fin Fans who give Kelly junk for losing 4 superbowls are nuts. Talk about pot and kettle.

Marino was the best but don't give Kelly crud for having a better team.

 

[tay0365]

It s probably nothing to you young guys, but i have been watching some of the 80's games beween marino and kelly, and i gotta say that Kelly was some QB--yes he had a better O line at times than Dan, but even so this bloke was gutsy. I aint saying he was as good as Dan but all the same he is due a hell of a lot of a credit to what he has brought the game. I'm in full admiration for this guy----But Dan was better :)

He was a very smart, and capable QB, had alot of heart, and was very dangerous.

 

[PhinPhreak]

Jim Kelly is one of the biggest chokers in the history of the NFL. Just look at his Superbowl numbers.

See it's comments like this that are just plain dumb, I bet you are the first one to defend Marino when people say he sucked because he never won a Suepr Bowl.

Kelly was not the reason the Bills lost the 4 SB's.

3 of the 4 they just played a better team and the other one they were out coached.

 

[PhinPhreak]

OK, here goes: Jim Kelly looked alot better because of Thomas. If he didn't have Thurman, his level of play and the success of the team would have been much lower. When teams played the Bills, the defnsive game plan revolved more around stopping Thomas than Kelly. I'm not saying that Kelly wasn't good. He was. But when the going got tough, the tough ran. Everytime his team was getting spanked, Kelly mysteriously got hurt. For example: The Oilers game. Buffalo was getting inhilated by the Oilers. Conveniently, Kelly got hurt. In comes Reich and brings the Bills back. Then in the Dallas-Buffalo Super Bowl, Dallas starts running away from Buffalo and, again, Kelly gets hurt. There are several other examples of this.


**EDIT** Kelly was not hurt in the game against the Oilers. I was wrong about that. But it did happen on quite a few occasions.

If I remember it right, I believe the score was 14-7 when Kelly got knocked out of the game, I think the finals was 52-17 seems to me Kelly had nothing to do with the blow out. In the Redskins SB he was knocked out cold and still came back in to play.

I never thought there would be a day I would be defending a Bills player on a Fins board.

 

[PhinPhreak]

I could be wrong about Kelly starting that game then getting injured. BUT, there were numerous times that he did get "hurt" when the team was losing badly. And somehow he was perfectly fine the following week everytime.
By the way, it was the very Super Bowl (against Dallas) that Frank Reich got Buffalo to, that Jim Kelly conveniently got hurt again. The only that was hurt about Kelly in that game was his PRIDE.

Ok this will probably start a rain of crap on me but Kelly was tough, was he as good as Dan? No probably not, Did he have a better team then Dan? Yep he sure did. Was he tougher then Dan? Yep, Kelly was way tougher then Dan, as they said many times Kelly was a QB in a LB's body, I don't know how many times I saw him gettiting crushed just to get back up(at the time I was hoping he wouldn't ) or after a turnover being right there trying to make the tackle, you would never see Dan doing that, is there anything wrong with that? No, Dan was a QB not a LB so he wasn't expected to be out there making tackles.

It's alright to dislike a rival teams players but inside you should be able to tell the difference between dislike and actual talent.

 

[Losman7]

Frank Reich started the Comeback game. Thurman Thomas was out too.

 

[Wagon Circler]

See it's comments like this that are just plain dumb, I bet you are the first one to defend Marino when people say he sucked because he never won a Suepr Bowl.

Kelly was not the reason the Bills lost the 4 SB's.

3 of the 4 they just played a better team and the other one they were out coached.

This is a very true statement. People forget how tough the NFC was back then. The NFC back then was as good as the AFC is now.

Getting to the superbowl four straight times is an incredible feat. Sure people would have gone mental if we had won one, but I'll take being the second best team in the league for four years over not making the playoffs.

The eagles lost four straight NFC title games, then lost a superbowl. How underrated is their chokefest?

 

[Justasportsfan]

Phinphreak I knew you were wearing a Kelly jersey underneath that Fins jersey when I met you.