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L. Booker turning heads and breaking ankles

Dorfdad said:
Exactly! I told you everyone this when we drafted him, I think he has the potential to be an every down back in a year or so, and if Ronnie does not step up he could be surpassed with the new Barry sanders :) Well im getting over excited there..
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Your comparing him to Barry Sanders...You can't compare anyone to Barry Sanders. I dont care who it is...Barry would juke Emmit Smith right out of his shoes
 
DolphinsFan23 said:
Ronnie isn't fast? Not quick? Watch Ronnie in this Bucs game from 2005. It comes on at the 1:26 mark. He hits that hole about as fast as you can hit it if you ask me. I want him to run just like that all this season. I wish they had some YouTube of Ronnie's 150 yard day against the best defense in the NFL last year ... da Bears. Ronnie showed his talent there for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJXqADx-XqI&mode=related&search=


Ronnie was electronically timed at the combine running a 4.43. He ran a 4.40 at his Pro Day.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/brown_ronnie


AGILITY

Campus: 4.4 in the 40-yard dash … 330-pound bench press … 365-pound power clean … 32½-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-7 broad jump … 4.18 20-yard shuttle … Left-handed. Combine: 4.43 in the 40-yard dash … 2.57 20-yard dash … 1.54 10-yard dash … 4.08 20-yard shuttle … 7.10 three-cone drill … 34-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-9 broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 18 times … 31 5/8-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands.


Ronnie isn't Ted Ginn fast, but he's fast enough. Ronnie's has a good combination of speed and power ... very important for the NFL unlike in the college game. A lot of the DBs and a few of the LBs run 4.4 something in the NFL you know. They catch a lot of running backs. On some of his runs last year, Ronnie might have been having groin problems. I hope Ronnie goes out of his way to keep those minor injuries from happening this year.

When 100%, I definitely wouldn't call Ronnie slow. For a 232 lb back, he's pretty fast. LaDainian Tomlinson and Larry Johnson were timed running about 4.38 and 4.40 when they were drafted. Ronnie does need to work on his cutting ability and vision though .... knowing just the right times to burst and when to follow his blockers, etc. That is what makes LT so good. Doing the right things at just the right times.

I googled up an interesting article about our new RB coach Bobby Jackson a few months ago that describes what makes the good athletes make it to elite levels ... mind speed. You want your top backs to have just as much mind speed as they have physical speed. Things happen very fast in the NFL ... like a computer game running at its highest level. When they get used to that speed level, things start to "slow down" in their mind and they can anticipate making just the right cuts at just the right times, etc. Cam talked about it a few times over the past few months. I hope Bobby Jackson can teach Ronnie and Lorenzo some of this stuff like he did with Marshall Faulk.


http://espn.go.com/magazine/vol5no11freaks.html

"Mind speed provides the framework to explain the way Marshall Faulk runs with the football. It might look random, but Faulk bases his water-bug moves on a number of nearly instantaneous observations. Before the ball is snapped, his mind takes a series of snapshots of the defense -- starting with the defensive linemen, then the linebackers, then the defensive backs -- and plots his course accordingly. In an era of max speed, with 260-pound inside linebackers running 4.5 40s, knowing tendencies and spotting patterns can mean the difference between being the best offensive player in the game and being a second-stringer. “Some guys have tunnel vision, but Marshall sees everything,†says Rams running backs coach Bobby Jackson. “I think he sees not only the guys approaching him, but the guys to the side of him and the guys behind him.â€Â

"Consider this move Faulk performed late last season against Indianapolis: Breaking through the line of scrimmage on an off-tackle play, Faulk found himself behind Rams center Andy McCollum, who had just made contact with a Colts linebacker. McCollum and the linebacker separated, and at that moment, with barely a body’s width separating the linebacker and the center, Faulk split the gap between the two and gained another 10 yards. “He went through them like a dart,†Jackson says. “I’ve never seen anything like it.â€Â

"More than foot speed or strength or nerve, a move like this takes the kind of mind speed that blurs the line between thought and action. How much time did he have to see the separation, make the decision and split the difference? Probably less than a half-second. Faulk’s physical skills aren’t carrying him; he’s not the fastest or most punishing back on his own team, much less in the entire NFL. In fact, the growing Faulk legend might simply be a triumph of the imagination. Despite the barely organized chaos of an NFL running play, with 22 bodies in various stages of commotion, Faulk’s assumptions are uncannily accurate."
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wow that was alot of work nice
 
dolpns13 said:
Your comparing him to Barry Sanders...You can't compare anyone to Barry Sanders. I dont care who it is...Barry would juke Emmit Smith right out of his shoes
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people like to dream nothing wrong with that
 
DolphinsFan23 said:
Ronnie isn't fast? Not quick? Watch Ronnie in this Bucs game from 2005. It comes on at the 1:26 mark. He hits that hole about as fast as you can hit it if you ask me. I want him to run just like that all this season. I wish they had some YouTube of Ronnie's 150 yard day against the best defense in the NFL last year ... da Bears. Ronnie showed his talent there for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJXqADx-XqI&mode=related&search=


Ronnie was electronically timed at the combine running a 4.43. He ran a 4.40 at his Pro Day.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/brown_ronnie


AGILITY

Campus: 4.4 in the 40-yard dash … 330-pound bench press … 365-pound power clean … 32½-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-7 broad jump … 4.18 20-yard shuttle … Left-handed. Combine: 4.43 in the 40-yard dash … 2.57 20-yard dash … 1.54 10-yard dash … 4.08 20-yard shuttle … 7.10 three-cone drill … 34-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-9 broad jump … Bench pressed 225 pounds 18 times … 31 5/8-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands.


Ronnie isn't Ted Ginn fast, but he's fast enough. Ronnie's has a good combination of speed and power ... very important for the NFL unlike in the college game. A lot of the DBs and a few of the LBs run 4.4 something in the NFL you know. They catch a lot of running backs. On some of his runs last year, Ronnie might have been having groin problems. I hope Ronnie goes out of his way to keep those minor injuries from happening this year.

When 100%, I definitely wouldn't call Ronnie slow. For a 232 lb back, he's pretty fast. LaDainian Tomlinson and Larry Johnson were timed running about 4.38 and 4.40 when they were drafted. Ronnie does need to work on his cutting ability and vision though .... knowing just the right times to burst and when to follow his blockers, etc. That is what makes LT so good. Doing the right things at just the right times.

I googled up an interesting article about our new RB coach Bobby Jackson a few months ago that describes what makes the good athletes make it to elite levels ... mind speed. You want your top backs to have just as much mind speed as they have physical speed. Things happen very fast in the NFL ... like a computer game running at its highest level. When they get used to that speed level, things start to "slow down" in their mind and they can anticipate making just the right cuts at just the right times, etc. Cam talked about it a few times over the past few months. I hope Bobby Jackson can teach Ronnie and Lorenzo some of this stuff like he did with Marshall Faulk.


http://espn.go.com/magazine/vol5no11freaks.html

"Mind speed provides the framework to explain the way Marshall Faulk runs with the football. It might look random, but Faulk bases his water-bug moves on a number of nearly instantaneous observations. Before the ball is snapped, his mind takes a series of snapshots of the defense -- starting with the defensive linemen, then the linebackers, then the defensive backs -- and plots his course accordingly. In an era of max speed, with 260-pound inside linebackers running 4.5 40s, knowing tendencies and spotting patterns can mean the difference between being the best offensive player in the game and being a second-stringer. “Some guys have tunnel vision, but Marshall sees everything,†says Rams running backs coach Bobby Jackson. “I think he sees not only the guys approaching him, but the guys to the side of him and the guys behind him.â€Â

"Consider this move Faulk performed late last season against Indianapolis: Breaking through the line of scrimmage on an off-tackle play, Faulk found himself behind Rams center Andy McCollum, who had just made contact with a Colts linebacker. McCollum and the linebacker separated, and at that moment, with barely a body’s width separating the linebacker and the center, Faulk split the gap between the two and gained another 10 yards. “He went through them like a dart,†Jackson says. “I’ve never seen anything like it.â€Â

"More than foot speed or strength or nerve, a move like this takes the kind of mind speed that blurs the line between thought and action. How much time did he have to see the separation, make the decision and split the difference? Probably less than a half-second. Faulk’s physical skills aren’t carrying him; he’s not the fastest or most punishing back on his own team, much less in the entire NFL. In fact, the growing Faulk legend might simply be a triumph of the imagination. Despite the barely organized chaos of an NFL running play, with 22 bodies in various stages of commotion, Faulk’s assumptions are uncannily accurate."
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Interesting. I do find alot of that to make sense when you visualize and think about how much is going on and how fast it could go on.
 
Anyone know what Leon Washington's 40 times were at the combine or on campus?
 
Da 'Fins said:
That article was typical "overhype" of spring excitement. Every team in the league has articles like that spewing forth from fan websites.

Booker certainly has some potential. He has very quick feet. But, the article also said he has "uncanny speed." What? Please. He ran a 4.46 and a 4.55 at the Combine. That's slower than Ronnie Brown's 40 numbers. What was also interesting to me is that at his Pro Day workout - at only 189 lbs, he chose to let his combine 40 #'s stand. You'd think a guy who had great speed would not be happy with those #'s and would want to show an ability to run 4.4 or better - which would boost his draft stock. But, he didn't. That may well be an indication that this is his max speed.

Speed is not everything, of course. What I see in him is a guy who will show some quickness and great moves in short spaces, perhaps make a LB miss on a swing pass in the flat, and he may make some good plays in that area - turning a loss into an 8-12 yard gain - which could be vital on 3rd down plays. But, I don't see him as a real game-breaker who will take it 80 (like Ginn). He has potential - but he really has to show he has breakaway speed at the NFL level. When you have teams drafting OLB's with 4.5 speed and safeties with 4.3-4.4 speed - he's going to struggle to outrun anyone.

I like some of the potential there - but, I will be a bit skeptical of his ability to be a big-play type player until I see it in a real NFL game.
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Even a full contact practice would help. :lol:
 
Change of direction and quickness is definetely the most important aspect when talking about skilled positions. Like som have mentioned, look at Wes Welker (4.6 40), Boldin (4.7), Terrell Owens (4.6), Rod Smith, Larry Fitzgerald, Houshmandzadeh, Derrick Mason, Hines Ward, Plaxico, Joe Horn, Darrell JAckson, and Donald Driver. All are solid WR's who lack "blazing speed" and run slower than a 4.5.
 
dominizzo said:
Should Ronnie worry? I would If I were Him
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Why should he be worried? Ronnie isn't in any hot seat. I think it is silly to assume that Booker is capable of unseating Ronnie as a rook. :rolleyes2
 
RUDEbyallMEANS said:
Change of direction and quickness is definetely the most important aspect when talking about skilled positions. Like som have mentioned, look at Wes Welker (4.6 40), Boldin (4.7), Terrell Owens (4.6), Rod Smith, Larry Fitzgerald, Houshmandzadeh, Derrick Mason, Hines Ward, Plaxico, Joe Horn, Darrell JAckson, and Donald Driver. All are solid WR's who lack "blazing speed" and run slower than a 4.5.
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just watched ted ginn jr. highlights on youtube,,you gotta see his high school highlight unreal...anyway ginn could be the most elusive guy at speed ever, his change of direction and quickness are unbelieveable, and he is blazing fast. i really really hope he gets healthy and adapts to the pro game, i think the man has incredible potential
 
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