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Lazor's OL in Philly

Southbeach 2 said:
PFF's criteria is simple. They watch every player, on every play, for every game. and grade each play. It's the ultimate eyeball test.

I'm tempted to buy someone a subscription of the pay per view, used as a reference by every link posted here, and many who are not.
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Sounds like a good gig.....I want to watch every NFL game. Where do I sign up?

Thanks.
 
And another thing, a lot of the hits, sacks and pressures in Philly are because of Nick Foles holding onto the ball WAY TOOOO LONG. There were COUNTLESS plays in which Foles had 5-6 seconds to throw and still ended up being sacked. Just go back a week to the saints playoff game with the Eagles in FG range already he took a HUGE sack in which he had ALL DAY to find a WR. He doesn't like to throw the ball away....

Tannehill would've had a monster year behind Philly's OL.....too bad most QB's would, that line is talented as all hell.

No QB in the NFL other than Tannehill would've lasted 16 games behind our OL. I've never seen anyone be able to absorb the kind of hits he took and come out unscathed.
 
The Ghost said:
And another thing, a lot of the hits, sacks and pressures in Philly are because of Nick Foles holding onto the ball WAY TOOOO LONG. There were COUNTLESS plays in which Foles had 5-6 seconds to throw and still ended up being sacked. Just go back a week to the saints playoff game with the Eagles in FG range already he took a HUGE sack in which he had ALL DAY to find a WR. He doesn't like to throw the ball away....

Tannehill would've had a monster year behind Philly's OL.....too bad most QB's would, that line is talented as all hell.
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great point...i forgot about that...foles has forever back there for the most part and still can't find a guy to get it to at times
 
The Ghost said:
And another thing, a lot of the hits, sacks and pressures in Philly are because of Nick Foles holding onto the ball WAY TOOOO LONG. There were COUNTLESS plays in which Foles had 5-6 seconds to throw and still ended up being sacked. Just go back a week to the saints playoff game with the Eagles in FG range already he took a HUGE sack in which he had ALL DAY to find a WR. He doesn't like to throw the ball away....

Tannehill would've had a monster year behind Philly's OL.....too bad most QB's would, that line is talented as all hell.
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Southbeach is convinced that our OL is secretly great and that if we bring back Clabo, Jerry, et. all, we are set.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Would it surprise yo to know that Foles was actually faster than Tannehill? Why post things as fact that you do not know? Fascinated me.
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where did you get that foles was faster than tannehill??? foles ran like a 4.9 i think
 
hooshoops said:
where did you get that foles was faster than tannehill??? foles ran like a 4.9 i think
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I think he means in terms of average time to throw. Last time I looked at those numbers was quite a long time ago, but Tannehill was top 3 and Foles was in the bottom half of the starters. That's why I was saying people were nuts to claim our pass pro wasn't the problem with sacks... Tannehill spent less time holding the football than 29 other starters (and it by a good half-second on most of them) and he was still getting sacked 4.5 times per game. It was nuts.
 
hooshoops said:
herremans was a tackle they moved to guard...something miami needs to start doing...take a college tackle like a zach martin for instance and put him at guard...a good move athlete with some solid feet on the inside...similar to what the pats did with logan mankins and i think zach martin projects closely to if kicked inside

lane johnson definitely had some struggles but the talent is all there he just needs time...that and he's got meat on the bone whereas our tackles are on their last legs...literally

philly also ran a bunch more plays and with faster tempo than us so they are gonna have more snaps for those numbers to come off and look bad...they have the best move oline athletic oline in football by a long ways
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Miami actually passed the ball more than Philly, although Philly had the overall higher snap count by 145 for the year.
 
I'm not sure how much a QB coach has to do or influences OL play. I dont see any correlation between Philly's OL and Lazor as QB coach. But again I may be wrong.
 
Our OL is PUTRID. Horrible beyond belief. I'm a true OL guy, I definitely see the value in drafting those guys high every year and I never think you can go wrong taking even an OG in the first round if you have a high enough grade on them.

I want 4 new OL this year, two guards and two tackles. Spend all the money and draft picks you need.

Not just for Tannehill.........but the running game. It's also no coincidence that Foles had the best running game in the league, which that in itself should buy you considerably more time on average per pass than Miami was able to muster with ZERO threat of the run.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
I think he means in terms of average time to throw. Last time I looked at those numbers was quite a long time ago, but Tannehill was top 3 and Foles was in the bottom half of the starters. That's why I was saying people were nuts to claim our pass pro wasn't the problem with sacks... Tannehill spent less time holding the football than 29 other starters (and it by a good half-second on most of them) and he was still getting sacked 4.5 times per game. It was nuts.
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oh a numbers in a vacuum thing...we all know how much i like those...it would seem pretty obvious to me if you watched these two olines work this year that you would come away saying the philly oline was a real strength and ours was a real weakness...numbers be damned

not that i mean that in a bad way towards southbeach...

hell leasean mccoy was untouched into the 2nd level all the time..some of that his own doing making a guy miss but most of it that athletic oline and scheme killing people
 
You know what else is pathetic, I'd venture to guess Nick Foles actually ran more QB keepers than Tannehill last year because the defenses would be so off kilt they never saw them coming. Alot of times the slow and immobile Foles mustered up 6,7,8 yards and would dive forward. Defenses never saw it coming.

On the flip, everytime a situation called for Tannehill to bootleg.....Mike Sherman usually came up with the worst designed play you'd ever see. I honestly can't believe how few designed run, pass option plays were called for Ryan this year.

Also for the record, I'm from Bethlehem Pa, the former home of the Eagles training camp up until this past year when Chip Kelly moved it back to Philly. Everyone I know is an Eagles fan and for the most part I know a lot more about the Eagles than any Eagles fan I know. From center to left tackle, the eagles have the best 3 some of OL in the league between Jason Peters, Evan Mathis and Jason Kelce....I would kill to have that setup. However, Peters, Mathis and Herreman's don't have much time left in the league so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Eagles take another OL early, especially given how much their defense improved.

I do consider myself an expert on the birds.
 
The Ghost said:
You know what else is pathetic, I'd venture to guess Nick Foles actually ran more QB keepers than Tannehill last year because the defenses would be so off kilt they never saw them coming. Alot of times the slow and immobile Foles mustered up 6,7,8 yards and would dive forward. Defenses never saw it coming.

On the flip, everytime a situation called for Tannehill to bootleg.....Mike Sherman usually came up with the worst designed play you'd ever see. I honestly can't believe how few designed run, pass option plays were called for Ryan this year.
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i'm interested in getting your take on the oc hire and how much good lazor did for nick foles as a qb coach and how much you think that it was chip kellys system and tempo and the oline personnel they had especially that was really the driving force in that offenses success???
 
The Ghost said:
Agreed 100%. If anyone graded out the Dolphins pass protection as being better than Philly's, they need to be completely discredited, and frankly they should be mocked to no end.

I probably watched more Eagles games than anyone on this board, while also not missing a snap of a Dolphins game....It's embarassing to even compare the two.
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Really? How many of the roughly 680+ pass block plays did you watch in your assessment? Give me a ONE game run down of the Eagles OL, and the same for the Phins. I did not watch Philly's OL closely but, did each and every Phins game with the OL.

Pick a Dolphins game, I still have them on tape, and show me how much you know on ALL snaps by the OL? I can't wait to have someone who spends as much time as myself to discuss the OL with.
 
hooshoops said:
oh a numbers in a vacuum thing...we all know how much i like those...it would seem pretty obvious to me if you watched these two olines work this year that you would come away saying the philly oline was a real strength and ours was a real weakness...numbers be damned

not that i mean that in a bad way towards southbeach...

hell leasean mccoy was untouched into the 2nd level all the time..some of that his own doing making a guy miss but most of it that athletic oline and scheme killing people
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Philly fan here. While our OL was ridiculously good in run blocking, they were middle of the pack in pass protection. Part of the trade-off of having super athletic linemen is that you're often sacrificing size and power. There were several games where interior matchups terrorized our guards and center.

One thing I will take issue with; Foles does not hold the ball much on average. I know everyone gets to watch the playoff games and then makes up their mind after watching one game, but if you watch his entire season (as I have), you'd be hard pressed to come away thinking he held it too long on average. Trust me, that was not the case. Earlier in the year, our OL was getting owned on a regular basis, but eventually settled down some.

Our OL was probably worse in pass protection than yours, even if only skewed by the beginning of the season.
 
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