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volk said:
Agreed, and no doubt Daboll deserves some credit for that, but it's not like there are any real similarities between Allen and Tua. They are very different QBs with very different skill sets. I'm not sure how well Daboll's Allen experience translates to a QB like Tua. Also, I think Daboll probably has less to do with Allen's success than the Bills QB coach. I'm not saying he can't be a solid head coach, just saying that I don't think the hype may be as warranted as some believe.
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And you might be right, but the truth is we have no clue. I also want to point out how everyone is saying that we need to find a coach with HC experience because the OC/DC coaches have not worked out. We tried that with Parecells and that did not work out either. So the truth of the matter is that its a crapshoot. The fact Daboll is familiar with Tua gives him a legup on other candidates though.
 
another thing to think about is, when you talk about DaBoll building a staff. yes hes been around for awhile, but he's probably not going to be able to poach the Dorseys to come be his OC's.

Im sure every young coordinators dream is to become a HC one day. Is Dorsey going to get more attention being OC for the Bills or for the Fins. Im hoping a new HC comes in and turns the OL around, and gets us some weapons that can seperate, but on paper right now, Dorsey as Billls OC in 2022 has a better shot at a job promotion than Dorsey as fins OC. So hopefully he can get ahold of some guys, wouldnt mind if he kept status quo
 
DuderinoN703 said:
Buffalo is a cold **** hole full of hillbillies. That’s why.
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So that is undoubtedly true, but Dorsey can basically count on competing for the AFC Championship for the next handful of years, right? They have a respected HC, a top 5 QB, a solid roster and experience. If Dorsey were looking to advance to HC, which we assume is all of their goals, why not stay in Buffalo for another year or two? Seems likely he'd get HC offers.

On the other hand he could go to Miami with a first time HC, a losing organization, a QB many question, and hope to turn it around. If he fails, which is definitely possible (if not likely), he fades into the group of failed coordinators playing various NFL roles across the league.

Take aside the sun, taxes and possibly salary, all of which may matter a ton, the choice seems clear as day. Basically the Dolphins have to hope his decision comes down to everything but football.
 
bostondolphin said:
So that is undoubtedly true, but Dorsey can basically count on competing for the AFC Championship for the next handful of years, right? They have a respected HC, a top 5 QB, a solid roster and experience. If Dorsey were looking to advance to HC, which we assume is all of their goals, why not stay in Buffalo for another year or two? Seems likely he'd get HC offers.

On the other hand he could go to Miami with a first time HC, a losing organization, a QB many question, and hope to turn it around. If he fails, which is definitely possible (if not likely), he fades into the group of failed coordinators playing various NFL roles across the league.

Take aside the sun, taxes and possibly salary, all of which may matter a ton, the choice seems clear as day.
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The other factor nobody seems to be talking about is he would get to the call the plays in Buffalo. I doubt he would be doing that in Miami under Daboll.
 
volk said:
Yes, it is on Flores, but you.completely missed my point. Many on FH would be fine with keeping the entire defensive staff from Flores, but if that staff couldn't win without Flores having to take over duties for them, why would we want to keep them?
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Some might think that the Defensive side of the ball operated without Flores' imput the first half of the season, I don't. We now know that Flores had a hand in everything and in many too much. I also think that it is short sighted to think that the defense suddenly turned around because Flores took over HIS D. Some of the factors in the improvement have been mentioned, inexperienced QB competition, a rookie safety (and DE/LB) not yet comfortable, injuries hampering the DL and offensive output, and an easier overall schedule, Anyway the new coach will look at the staff and see who he wants and decide.
 
I like McDaniels as my first pick, but Daboll has NFL defensive coaching in his coaching DNA. Personally I see that as a huge plus for a head coach to strongly understand both sides of the ball from a coaching perspective. We have seen the issues when one side of the ball is neglected and Daboll might just be a perfect fit.
 
Etuoo33 said:
Some might think that the Defensive side of the ball operated without Flores' imput the first half of the season, I don't. We now know that Flores had a hand in everything and in many too much. I also think that it is short sighted to think that the defense suddenly turned around because Flores took over HIS D. Some of the factors in the improvement have been mentioned, inexperienced QB competition, a rookie safety (and DE/LB) not yet comfortable, injuries hampering the DL and offensive output, and an easier overall schedule, Anyway the new coach will look at the staff and see who he wants and decide.
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The entire defensive scheme changed back to last years after the Watson trade was not going to happen. I think he was losing on purpose and trying to make it seem like Tua was the reason. We could have been in the playoffs if not for that.
 
Brasfin said:
So you’re saying the reason Allen is good is because everything around him is also good, but doesn’t the OC have something to do with that? You don’t recall Allen missing wide open receivers time and again and making boneheaded decisions early in his career? Look, Allen has only started being considered an elite QB last season, he vastly improved, you can ask any Bills fans and they will agree.

I’m just trying to understand the reasoning behind why, for some of you, the Bills offense is good DESPITE Brian Daboll, but the 49ers’ is BECAUSE of Mike McDaniel, it makes no sense. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
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I'm not saying Daboll had nothing to do with it. I'm sure he had some say in draft and FA meetings. What I am saying is Allen's meteoric rise began when they traded for Diggs....Built a very impressive OL... Added a decent running game and acquired the players that formed the number 1 defense in the league. The reason McDaniel is seen as a better prospect as a coach is that the running game and OL concepts are at a high level as designed by McDaniel. He doesn't have near the QB that Daboll does and yet they're in the NFC Championship and Daboll is out doing interviews. Thus the reason the 9ers offense is good because of McDaniel and the Bills offense is good because of the plethora of talent all the way through it.
 
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Want McDaniel, good with Daboll. Those are my top 2 excluding Pederson who we clearly have no interest in. If they're serious about Tua, then Daboll is the guy though. That would give him an immediate boost heading into the offseason program -- a guy he's worked and developed with replacing a guy he wasn't even on speaking terms with.

I just hope they plan on aggressively pursuing established weapons, like how the Bills acquired Diggs for Allen.

Start the off-season by hiring Daboll and trading for Calvin Ridley. I'm game.
 
I wasn't sure what offense we would get with Daboll, so I found these opinions after a search. Taken with a grain of salt, one comment I like is they view him as an OL coach masquerading as an OC. Another said he is very adaptable and will change the system based on personnel.
I haven't been shy about my preference for an offensive-minded HC. I like McDaniel, but if Daboll is creative and adaptable rather than a fit a round peg in a square hole type then I would be okay with him too. Also, it really should come down to who can put together the best staff, and please Ross pay the hell out of the OL coach so we get a good one!

Update: It looked like the link was acting weird, so I snipped what I was referring to and put the link below. Not sure if the link will continue to work correctly after a while, but you will get the gist of their opinions about Daboll's offense.

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Daboll and Wink Martindale would be a great fit. Martindale plays an aggressive defense that would suit our defense. He blitzes out the ass.
 
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