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LeBron James...PROOF that Loyalty DOESN'T MATTER...

Chicago wasn't blindsided by Jordan leaving?

Yeah, everyone expected him to retire so suddenly lol.

When you've carried an entire team on your back for an entire season, you're a little tired come playoffs. Derrick Rose ring a bell?

What was LeBron to do? Cleveland refused to surround him with help.

But you think he should have just sucked it up with Mo Williams. Laughable. Laughable. Laughable.

LeBron did the right thing. He played out his contract. Actually played out TWO contracts and Dan Gilbert kept sticking trash around him.

LeBron did it the right way.

Today, he is vindicated. His decision justified. He wouldn't have won **** in Cleveland with those trashy players.
 
nyjunc said:
In the reg season he did not enough in postseason or he would have won by now.

The Bulls made the East semi's not the East Finals the year after Jordan and Chi didn't have the injuries and they weren't as blinsided by Michael leaving as Cle was w/ lebron taking the easy way out.


Michael would never have left Chi to join forces w/ other top players. he had too much confidence in himself and was too competitive to take the easy way out.
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This is actually typically disingenuous coming from someone who roots for ARod and various other Yankees.

Surely you're hoping Dwight Howard will feel the same way about leaving The Magic to join Williams and the now very visible Brooklyn Nets, right? :up:
 
JCane said:
Chicago wasn't blindsided by Jordan leaving?

Yeah, everyone expected him to retire so suddenly lol.

When you've carried an entire team on your back for an entire season, you're a little tired come playoffs. Derrick Rose ring a bell?

What was LeBron to do? Cleveland refused to surround him with help.

But you think he should have just sucked it up with Mo Williams. Laughable. Laughable. Laughable.

LeBron did the right thing. He played out his contract. Actually played out TWO contracts and Dan Gilbert kept sticking trash around him.

LeBron did it the right way.

Today, he is vindicated. His decision justified. He wouldn't have won **** in Cleveland with those trashy players.
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in a different way, they had already won 3 championships. He wasn't a FA to be where everyone thought he would be back then embarrassed the franchise by going on TV to pikc a ready made team.

Rose was hurt, so lebron was tired. How come Michael was never tired come postseason? are you saying lebron carried Miami in the reg season in '10-'11? Another lame excuse.

In a weak NBA he had enough talent to win and talent could have been aquired in the future to help him but he wanted the easy way out and took it. It was his right to do that.

He isn't justified b/c he won, everyone knew Miami would eventually win championships w/ that talent. he took the easy way out.

The funny thing is as recently as after game 1 the excuse makers were saying he didn't have the supporting cast to win which i'm sure you would ahve said had they lost but he stepped up for the first time and they won. Congrats to him and the heat.

Vaark said:
This is actually typically disingenuous coming from someone who roots for ARod and various other Yankees.

Surely you're hoping Dwight Howard will feel the same way about leaving The Magic to join Williams and the now very visible Brooklyn Nets, right? :up:
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I have nothing against the heat fans, you guys should enjoy the championship. This is about an all time great player taking the easy way out, as a sports fan I hate to see it. It's nothing against the Heat or Heat fans.
 
Why wasn't Jordan tired??

Probably because he had Pippen who could help out on defense. Probably because he had Dennis Rodman who was a rebounding machine.

LeBron had to DO IT ALL. LeBron had to be the best scorer. LeBron has to pass the ball. LeBron has to rebound. LeBron has to guard five different positions on the floor as well as the oppositions best player in the fourth quarter..

Jordan never had to do all of that.

LOL @ You trying to talking about excuse makers after game one. That's funny because you're still making the same excuses as to why he should have stayed in lousy ass Cleveland.

Sometimes in life you get dealt a crappy hand in a game of poker. You can play that hand and have a lousy shot at winning with that hand or you can drop a few cards on the table and get some new ones.

LeBron made a business decision. A career decision. He made the right one.
 
JCane said:
Why wasn't Jordan tired??

Probably because he had Pippen who could help out on defense. Probably because he had Dennis Rodman who was a rebounding machine.

LeBron had to DO IT ALL. LeBron had to be the best scorer. LeBron has to pass the ball. LeBron has to rebound. LeBron has to guard five different positions on the floor as well as the oppositions best player in the fourth quarter..

Jordan never had to do all of that.

LOL @ You trying to talking about excuse makers after game one. That's funny because you're still making the same excuses as to why he should have stayed in lousy ass Cleveland.

Sometimes in life you get dealt a crappy hand in a game of poker. You can play that hand and have a lousy shot at winning with that hand or you can drop a few cards on the table and get some new ones.

LeBron made a business decision. A career decision. He made the right one.
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Didn't Lebron have wade last year? and last I checked pre Pippen he was still delivering in postseason. How many championships did Pippen even play for w/o Jordan? He played on some talented teams post Jordan.

He didn't have Rodman until 96-98, next excuse please.


Excuses about staying in Cle? where am I making excuses? I'm stating as a sports fan I think he should have stayed rather than take the easy way out.

Jordan was dealt a crappy hand early and it eventually got better but he didn't pout, he didn't try to leave Chicago. They built a team around Michael and he willed them to 6 titles.

Lebron eventually would have won in Cle, maybe it would have taken 2-3 more years? but he would have won IF he played like he was capable of in big games.
 
Jordan didn't pout??? Are you SERIOUS??

:lol: :lol:

Jordan is a KNOWN whiner. Dude got Doug Collins FIRED. Dude constantly went to management begging for help. He's LUCKY that Chicago didn't dick him the way that Cleveland dicked LeBron for seven years.

LeBron delivered in the postseason just like Jordan did without Pippen. But Jordan didn't deliver the goods until he got Pippen AND Phil.

LeBron didn't take the easy way out. He took the ONLY way out. I can either help my career by leaving, or kill it by staying.

You act like Jordan did it all. Jordan couldn't win anything without Pippen or Phil.

N O T H I N G
 
NYJunc your attempted arguments have become over drawn and tiresome.

Truly 10#'s in a 5# bag.
 
JCane said:
Jordan didn't pout??? Are you SERIOUS??

:lol: :lol:

Jordan is a KNOWN whiner. Dude got Doug Collins FIRED. Dude constantly went to management begging for help. He's LUCKY that Chicago didn't dick him the way that Cleveland dicked LeBron for seven years.

LeBron delivered in the postseason just like Jordan did without Pippen. But Jordan didn't deliver the goods until he got Pippen AND Phil.

LeBron didn't take the easy way out. He took the ONLY way out. I can either help my career by leaving, or kill it by staying.

You act like Jordan did it all. Jordan couldn't win anything without Pippen or Phil.

N O T H I N G
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He was pissed he didn't win, he didn't look for the easy way out and when Jordan was young there were truly great teams in the East and the NBA- something that cannot be said of Lebron's younger years.

what great teams did Lebron run into? It took Lebron 3 years to make the playoffs, Jordan never missed in Chi.

Jordan's team lost to:

'85 Milwaukee- decent team
'86 Boston- one of greatest teams of all time
'87 Boston- latter years of dynasty
'88 Detroit- great team
'89 Det- lost 4-2
'90 Det- lost 4-3
In '91 beat Detroit ending reign of 2 time defending champs by sweeping them 4-0.

He helped hi team get better every year, they ran into some great teams and kept battling. he didn't try to leave after he couldn't beat det for 3 straight years or Bos for 2.

Jordan did most of it, Phil's an all time great w/o a doubt but w/o Michael he's not winning in Chicago. Pippen was a great complimentary player but last I checked he played on some talented teams post Michael and never even made a Finals.
 
JCane said:
Jordan didn't pout??? Are you SERIOUS??

:lol: :lol:

Jordan is a KNOWN whiner. Dude got Doug Collins FIRED. Dude constantly went to management begging for help. He's LUCKY that Chicago didn't dick him the way that Cleveland dicked LeBron for seven years.

LeBron delivered in the postseason just like Jordan did without Pippen. But Jordan didn't deliver the goods until he got Pippen AND Phil.

LeBron didn't take the easy way out. He took the ONLY way out. I can either help my career by leaving, or kill it by staying.

You act like Jordan did it all. Jordan couldn't win anything without Pippen or Phil.

N O T H I N G
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It's pretty apparent that the wall stick'em owner's beyotchy behavior was less a reaction to LeBron leaving than a little-acknowledged ongoing franchise reality. After Gilbert took the low-road, coupled with the Cav's continued failure to put a team around LeBron, Cleveland was a lot more culpable for James departure than James himself, who obviously understood the lay of the land, that it was unlikely to get better and that he'd continue to be used as Gilbert's cash cow. Anyone who doesn't think Jordan would have also pulled a Shaq and Lebron if he had West instead of Pippin and Leonard Frank instead of Phil is drunk on hateraid. LeBron would still be twiddling his thumbs in Cleveland if he didn't do what was prudent for him and his family.
 
The big difference is that Chicago kept adding pieces.

Cleveland did not.

Cleveland wasn't adding anything.

You can say what you want, but without Pippen and Phil, Jordan isn't winning anything. You really need to stop making it about individual players and make it about the team.

You keep saying that Pippen didn't win anything without Jordan. Same goes for Jordan without Pippen. Same argument.

LeBron was in a bad situation from the start. Jordan got lucky landing with a franchise that cares.

Magic & Bird were the ultimate lucky ****ers. Dudes landed on "ready made teams" from the start. So that's ok but it's not fair for LeBron to go play for a ready made team.

It's crazy how LeBron is held to different rules and standards.
 
JCane said:
The big difference is that Chicago kept adding pieces.

Cleveland did not.

Cleveland wasn't adding anything.

You can say what you want, but without Pippen and Phil, Jordan isn't winning anything. You really need to stop making it about individual players and make it about the team.

You keep saying that Pippen didn't win anything without Jordan. Same goes for Jordan without Pippen. Same argument.

LeBron was in a bad situation from the start. Jordan got lucky landing with a franchise that cares.

Magic & Bird were the ultimate lucky ****ers. Dudes landed on "ready made teams" from the start. So that's ok but it's not fair for LeBron to go play for a ready made team.

It's crazy how LeBron is held to different rules and standards.
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The problem was Cle allowed Lebron to be GM too but regardlss of that eventually they would have put the right pieces around him.

I think Jordan could have won w/o Pippen and Phil

Jordan was a young player in a league w/ great teams w/o Pippen, Pippen still had prime years w/o Jordan.

Magic and Bird got lucky(though Boston stunk before Bird arrived and LA wasn't winning titles until Magic got there), they were drafted by great organizations and won right away. That's rare, it usually takes some time. Lebron didn't want to put in that time.

What different standards? did Michael, Magic or Bird leave a team to join a ready made team?
 
nyjunc said:
The problem was Cle allowed Lebron to be GM
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That's Cleveland's own fault. LeBron is a player; not a GM.

Jordan isn't winning without Pippen and Phil. Get over it. Top 50 player. One of the best defensive players in the league at the time. Greatest NBA coach in the history of ever. Get over it. Jordan had an incredible amount of help. You take away Pippen and Phil...Jordan wins 40 games per year and is a #6 seed. Listen to yourself.

You really think LeBron would have left Los Angeles had he landed there with James Worthy and Kareem? McHale and Parrish?

Oh, Mo Williams and Larry Hughes.

Yeah, same situation there in Cleveland.
 
Heh, let's see if Dwight Howard does what some might consider "the right thing" and stay long term on a team that is more talented and was better coached than LeB's Cavs - or will he do what, what among many others including, LeBron, Stoudemire, Carmello, Chris Paul and Boozer, arguably the best players on their teams in exasperation decided to do :idk:
 
JCane said:
That's Cleveland's own fault. LeBron is a player; not a GM.

Jordan isn't winning without Pippen and Phil. Get over it. Top 50 player. One of the best defensive players in the league at the time. Greatest NBA coach in the history of ever. Get over it. Jordan had an incredible amount of help. You take away Pippen and Phil...Jordan wins 40 games per year and is a #6 seed. Listen to yourself.

You really think LeBron would have left Los Angeles had he landed there with James Worthy and Kareem? McHale and Parrish?

Oh, Mo Williams and Larry Hughes.

Yeah, same situation there in Cleveland.
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That was Cle's fault but Lebron used his power, Cle was tring to do all they could to keep him and basically allowed him to call the shots.

Jordan hadn't hit the peak of his career w/o those guys. He would have won regardless.

W/o Pippen( he was a bit bench player his rookie year) and Phil he led Chi to 50 wins. he would have kept getting better and kept helping his team win more games w/ or w/o Pippen. Pippen helped but he would have eventually won no matter who was around him.

Magic won 2 titles pre-Worthy and took over the '80 Finals after Kareem got hurt.

Other great players that didn't win early(or at all) didn't leave teams until late in their careers. They stuck it out and tried to win w/ teams built around them rather than joinging a ready made team.


I'm not quite sure why you care so much how I feel. if my tam just won a title I wouldn't be worried about anything.
 
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