linehan's system/qb breakdown

[bdmagnum]

Congratulations, of all the horrible excuses made for AJ the past year, this one is number 1!

Why would it be an excuse if the coaching staff wanted him to work on his short game? It's possible, hence the play calling of Linehan.

 

[touborg]

I understand Linehan gives Feeley a play and Feeley has to decide whether to throw long or short based on who's open. As I said before, IMO, Feeley threw to the open man, based on the play Linehan gave him, how much time the OL gave him and what the defense presented.

But that must mean that Feeley is either less skilled at finding the open man, or less able to throw long than Frerotte, because he goes down field.

 

[touborg]

Why would it be an excuse if the coaching staff wanted him to work on his short game? It's possible, hence the play calling of Linehan.

Beacuse we havn't had a deep game since Marino, and all Feeley did was throw short last year (just look at the Pats game, we practically won it on safe passes), and the notion that Feeley was asked to make short throws for an entire game, when his long game is his weekness, and the offense is vertical, just doesn't sound right

 

[PHINZONER]

Why's everyone always saying that Frerotte will not take us to the play-offs, this year or next? I think that will be the least of our worries at the moment. We need to concentrate on winning the first game and then move on from there. This is true no matter who plays QB. The play offs are a long ways off I fear.

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Rich Gannon

 

[PHINZONER]

Well, Brady, Rothlis,Palmer,McNabb,Bulger and on and on have looked bad in preseason. So judge it as you will. What has happend thus far is not a precursor for the season.

If Gus struggles w/ the O. Then I say go Feeley. Until then Gus it is!

 

[thedayafter]

• The facts are we are going to need both (if not more) QB's this season.
• I would hope most want the "team" to have success and could care less which QB plays.
• To take a postion on either guy based on what we have seen in the pre-season really doesn't serve much purpose as it's the coaches decision.
• I don't care what the name says on the jersey... give me consistant play at the position with minimal mistakes..... period.
• A QB in 2006 no matter what!

 

[PHINZONER]

OK. Lets look at this in a deeper sense.

Everybody on the team is learning a new system. Right? Yes, we all can agree on one thing!! Good start!

To effectively teach a system you need people that know the system right? OK we agree on 2 things.

Gus knows the system and AJ does not yet! 3 Things.

If we want the players on the field to learn the system effectively, we need a guy that knows what he is doing out there. Gus brings that to the table. He helps every starter on the team to understand their role and positon within the system. Gus is obviously hitting receivers in practice, and that is aiding in the learning process. Now for the most improvement possible, we need him in there helping all those around him everyday in practice. Once they start to all get familiar w/ everything w/in the sys. they will all get better and that includes Gus connecting w/ wrs' in the game.

If Gus struggles early in the season, say 3 weeks or so, I say let's take a shot w/ Feeley. In that senario we would have little to lose. That is a worst case senario. If we end up struggling all year and are a 4-12ish team again, we will not be able to attract the FA's that could help a team move forward. Alla the last few years. A team that has shown some improvement in the first year of a new system and has a load of talent will become a hot place to be alla GB when Reggie went there. The new regime was in house and showing promise. Then the FA's started going there. We need every win we can get.

 

[PHINZONER]

• The facts are we are going to need both (if not more) QB's this season.
• I would hope most want the "team" to have success and could care less which QB plays.
• To take a postion on either guy based on what we have seen in the pre-season really doesn't serve much purpose as it's the coaches decision.
• I don't care what the name says on the jersey... give me consistant play at the position with minimal mistakes..... period.
• A QB in 2006 no matter what!

Nice!

 

[Hostile 17]

Beacuse we havn't had a deep game since Marino, and all Feeley did was throw short last year (just look at the Pats game, we practically won it on safe passes), and the notion that Feeley was asked to make short throws for an entire game, when his long game is his weekness, and the offense is vertical, just doesn't sound right

Who said an entire game? Feeley was in there for about a quarter. And it was discussed at length what the coaches wanted to see in this particular game. Whether you believe it or not is a function of your own ignorance.

Coaches often ask for specific things in preseason from players; they are often not as fixated on winning preseason games the way fans are. Preseason is there for just this purpose - to address specific development.

Many have noted how much better Feeley looked going to his second reads and not staring down his receivers in the Pitt game. He used his check-offs when the pass rush came and thus made the most of the situation. That's what others have noted - and it is a positive development, no matter what you think.

 

[bdmagnum]

Beacuse we havn't had a deep game since Marino, and all Feeley did was throw short last year (just look at the Pats game, we practically won it on safe passes), and the notion that Feeley was asked to make short throws for an entire game, when his long game is his weekness, and the offense is vertical, just doesn't sound right

He did thow short last year, I'm not disputing that. That's all the time the OL gave him. That's what the defenses gave him because they didn't respect our running game, so they gave him the short passes, didn't give up the long ball.

As far as last week, he was asked to throw short to become more familiar with the new system, build his confidence, as well as the people around him. You don't ask someone to run when they're learning how to walk.

 

[touborg]

Who said an entire game? Feeley was in there for about a quarter. And it was discussed at length what the coaches wanted to see in this particular game. Whether you believe it or not is a function of your own ignorance.

Coaches often ask for specific things in preseason from players; they are often not as fixated on winning preseason games the way fans are. Preseason is there for just this purpose - to address specific development.

Many have noted how much better Feeley looked going to his second reads and not staring down his receivers in the Pitt game. He used his check-offs when the pass rush came and thus made the most of the situation. That's what others have noted - and it is a positive development, no matter what you think.

Like I said, of the many many horrible excuses for Feeley lack of success throughout his entire career, this is by far the worst.

 

[touborg]

As far as last week, he was asked to throw short to become more familiar with the new system, build his confidence, as well as the people around him. You don't ask someone to run when they're learning how to walk.

Sorry if I'm not a trusty fellow, but I'd like some proof that he was specifically asked only to throw short this past game.

 

[bdmagnum]

Sorry if I'm not a trusty fellow, but I'd like some proof that he was specifically asked only to throw short this past game.

No need for an apology :) , we are just expressing our opinions. I have no proof that he was told specifically to throw short the entire game. But, my belief is that he would have been told to play a smart game, don't force anything and take what the defense gives you, hence the short passes that were moving the chains.

 

[thecoordinator]

in response to thedayafter....
I have yet to read anything substancial that backs this position. In fact more published information gives Frerotte the clean advantage.

just because you haven't read it means it hasn't been said? the only thing that really matters is what saban says and he has not given frerotte the "clean advantage."

There is clear separation indicated by Frerotte getting the reps with the first unit.

so much seperation, infact, that not only are gus and aj both listed with the first team on the latest depth chart, but we have a game saturday, today is wednesday and saban still won't say who is starting. his comments in yesterday's pc were "it's a day to day thing right now." i'm confused as to how you translate that into seperation.

In regards to AJ "locking on" he continues to do this because his brain is not processing information fast enough.

thank you, doctor. is this legit, or did you stay at a holiday inn express last night?

Frerotte demonstrated the ability to produce when given the opportunity and some of that production was exceptional.

yep, 2 years ago he started games against detroit and san fransisco and had a career game vs the 49ers. put all your eggs in that basket for sure.

Again your position is flawed as you presume Frerotte has not progressed.

i'm not presuming anything. im analyzing the fact that that he has been in the league for 12 years and has a career passer rating of 76, a 2004 preseason passer rating of 75 (no regular season stats to go on) and 74 rating so far in 2005. call it what you preceive it to be, but that is not progression.

The practical thing to do for the offense was to bring in Frerotte as a proven producer.

again, career passer rating of 76. career completions under 55%. career td/int ratio of 1.16/1. the only thing that is proven about that production is it sucks.

Frerotte clearly proved to be better at running the offense.

so clear, that again saban has not named him the starter 3 days before the game, and says the competition is very close and a "day to day" thing.

It is Feeley who has failed to develop. then you say It takes on average 3 years to develop ANY productive QB in ANY system in the NFL.

do i even need to respond to this contradiction?

To state it "wastes" a year of QB development has so many holes in it that it would take to long to post.

ok let's start frerotte, and say we don't make the playoffs and get a new starting quarterback in the offseason. taking into consideration "it takes on average 3 years to develop ANY productive QB in ANY system in the NFL," how would you then define this season relative to the quarterback position? i'd call it a waste.

QB in 2006 no matter what or who does what this season.

CB in 2009 no matter what or who does what before then!

For you to even have "playoff" asperations shows you have a lack of fundamental knowledge of the team and talent.

i thought it was pretty evident in my original post that i wanted feeley to start because i do not have playoff aspirations for this team this year.

I honestly don't care who starts at QB as long as they give us an opportunity to compete... IMO it's time to start thinking long term with Saban and the team.

and last but certainly not least, these two statements combined make about as much sense as tits on a bull.


if you're going to trash my post, atleast do it with some substance and make it a challenge for me to respond.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

In regards to AJ "locking on" he continues to do this because his brain is not processing information fast enough.

thank you, doctor. is this legit, or did you stay at a holiday inn express last night?

beautiful burn man