Locker room interviews tell you something

[WheywethWordz]

the fact we are even having threads about this tells you all you need to know about the Dolphins culture and how close we are to winning anything, on or off the field.

 

[normaldude]

Fighting is handling it like a man?

My guess is that that is the culture in NFL locker rooms. Similar to prisons. Snitching is considered to be the worst thing in the world, and if you have a problem with someone, you fight it out man-to-man, instead of crying to the authorities. And even if you lose the fight, you will gain respect for standing up to the bully.

maybe Martin did say "c'mon man cut it out" and Incognito still persisted.

My guess is that in the culture of NFL locker rooms (and prisons), saying "c'mon man cut it out" is not going to be strong enough.

I'm not taking sides. I'm just making an objective observation.

 

[Despacio]

Dear lord, this tweet is taken outta context. Fans are worse than the media.


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[NBP81]

The more we hear from players and personnel people, the more it seems like the media is really blowing this out of proportion...

 

[SkapePhin]

The more we hear from players and personnel people, the more it seems like the media is really blowing this out of proportion...

Agreed. Sounds like these players are seriously ticked about this whole media maelstrom... And to top it off, they lost 2/5 of an already horrendous OL. Tannehill must be wondering how the heck it got to this...

 

[utahphinsfan]

the fact we are even having threads about this tells you all you need to know about the Dolphins culture and how close we are to winning anything, on or off the field.

So, then what does it say about America with Mike Lee, Nancy Pelosi, & Glenn Beck running wild shooting their yaps off?

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Agreed. Sounds like these players are seriously ticked about this whole media maelstrom... And to top it off, they lost 2/5 of an already horrendous OL. Tannehill must be wondering how the heck it got to this...

I feel for Ryan. But, he has a hot wife so it really sucks to be him. ROFL!??

 

[trojanma]

Behavior seeks approval. Silence is approval. Any behavior that is allowed to proliferate based on its own merit will eventually spiral out of control.

I.E. "too much of a good thing is a bad thing".

No matter how prankster-like most of the guys in the locker room felt Incog was, they still allowed him to become his own police. He obviously found the acceptance he wanted from the group by their continued silent approval.

Once the first player had an altercation with Incog, the team leaders should have stepped into the picture and quashed it. Instead, the only person going nuclear was Incog. Growing and growing in his confidence, going from one team member to the next seeking the next approval.

I wonder if Jake Long or Reggie Bush would have let this persist?

And here is the most unmentioned fact that simply blows my mind, Incog was one of the team leaders?!

How lacking of quality men are we when this person is allowed to be a team leader?

This situation is wrong on so many levels it deserves every bit of negative press it gets. This is a lesson to the organization, players, coaches, GM, owner and anyone else associated with this debacle: This is NOT how to build a team.

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[spiketex]

I would be interested to hear Pouncey and Odrick's reaction to the voicemails. They must have heard similar things considering they were rookies under Incognito and are also both of mixed race like Martin.

It was interesting to hear Channing Crowder's take on all this on QAM. I was surprised that he didn't seem that offended by the "half-n" comment, he actually seemed to be on Incognito's side, even though he acknowledged he went overboard. Crowder was basically saying that Incognito was indeed the lockerroom bully, but in the dumb lugnut kind of way, and that if a player stood up to him, he would leave them alone and then go looking for the next weakest link. He cited an example with Austin Spitler who eventually thumped Incognito after being bullied by him for awhile, and Richie never touched him after that.

The picture is becoming clearer. Richie is a meathead, and his schtick was to bully rookies until they stood up to him or he found another target. But the team seemed to recognize this and just chalked it up to a prankster, "bro" personality, and seemingly liked him as a teammate.

Martin was a different kind of cat, with Ivy-league pedigree and uncomfortable with the dumb jock mentality around him. I can relate to Martin in a sense, as I too hung out with "bro" types on occasion and was never comfortable around them. That being said, Martin approached this in the WORST possible way from a "football brotherhood" perspective. If he was uncomfortable confronting Incognito, he should have dealt with this with Philbin and the staff once he "snapped" in the lunch room. By ditching the place once he finally had enough, and launching napalm over the organization, he violated the unspoken rules of the locker room. For this reason, I don't see any team signing Martin after this fiasco.

"Different kind of cat?" Martin is a genuine intellectual, both parents educated at Harvard, he graduated from Stanford and he just also happened to be good at football, too. The only things he has in common with Incognito is the color of their jerseys and the toilets they use to take a leak. Imagine for a second, the living hell that Martin has endured for 8 - 10 hours every day, being subjected to bullying from a veteran thug (proclaimed as the undisputed dirtiest player in the NFL), ever since he was drafted 18 months ago. All condoned in the spirit of toughening him up. Ultimately it reached a threshold last Monday in the cafeteria and he snapped.
No, he didn't handle it well, he finally cracked, but his living hell is exposed to everyone for what it is. Hopefully he takes control of his life and maybe he can again have some fun playing football. The plate of food that was tipped over, maybe the best trigger that this team has had to now right the ship and in a broader perspective maybe this can help address the hazing of rookies across the whole NFL.
I am 100% behind Martin and I remain optimistic that he gets the opportunity to show what he can do on our team, without the fear of pervasive bullying from a thug.

 

[normaldude]

Richie Incognito has support in Dolphins' locker room

Published: Nov. 4, 2013

The Miami Dolphins acted swiftly in their handling of Richie Incognito on Sunday, suspending the veteran guard indefinitely for his role in Jonathan Martin's absence from the team.

It's a nightmare situation for the Dolphins, who are dealing with a complicated and delicate personnel matter smack in the middle of the regular season. NFL Media's Jeff Darlington asked players about the situation during a visit to the Miami locker room Monday.

"I know both of those guys personally. I like both of them," said wide receiver Mike Wallace, who added he doesn't believe the team's pranks and hazing went too far. "I love Richie. I think he's a great guy. I don't think he was out of hand. I have a lot of respect for Richie. I wish he was here."

Cornerback Will Davis was similarly complimentary of Incognito, though he added he's unsure of the relationship between Incognito and Martin.

NFL Media's Albert Breer reported Monday that Martin shared highly inappropriate texts and voicemails from Incognito with his parents Saturday, and turned them over Sunday to the Dolphins and the league, according to sources close to Martin and involved in the investigation.

"He's a funny guy," Davis said of Incognito. "Everybody loves him."

Defensive end Cameron Wake offered a more guarded response.

"You'd have to ask every guy individually," Wake said. "I can't speak for everyone else."

Incognito lost his organization's support Sunday night, but he appears to have teammates in his corner. It remains to be seen if it stays that way.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...incognito-has-support-in-dolphins-locker-room

 

[ohall]

"Different kind of cat?" Martin is a genuine intellectual, both parents educated at Harvard, he graduated from Stanford and he just also happened to be good at football, too. The only things he has in common with Incognito is the color of their jerseys and the toilets they use to take a leak. Imagine for a second, the living hell that Martin has endured for 8 - 10 hours every day, being subjected to bullying from a veteran thug (proclaimed as the undisputed dirtiest player in the NFL), ever since he was drafted 18 months ago. All condoned in the spirit of toughening him up. Ultimately it reached a threshold last Monday in the cafeteria and he snapped.
No, he didn't handle it well, he finally cracked, but his living hell is exposed to everyone for what it is. Hopefully he takes control of his life and maybe he can again have some fun playing football. The plate of food that was tipped over, maybe the best trigger that this team has had to now right the ship and in a broader perspective maybe this can help address the hazing of rookies across the whole NFL.
I am 100% behind Martin and I remain optimistic that he gets the opportunity to show what he can do on our team, without the fear of pervasive bullying from a thug.

He should have called 911.

 

[NBP81]

"Different kind of cat?" Martin is a genuine intellectual, both parents educated at Harvard, he graduated from Stanford and he just also happened to be good at football, too. The only things he has in common with Incognito is the color of their jerseys and the toilets they use to take a leak. Imagine for a second, the living hell that Martin has endured for 8 - 10 hours every day, being subjected to bullying from a veteran thug (proclaimed as the undisputed dirtiest player in the NFL), ever since he was drafted 18 months ago. All condoned in the spirit of toughening him up. Ultimately it reached a threshold last Monday in the cafeteria and he snapped.
No, he didn't handle it well, he finally cracked, but his living hell is exposed to everyone for what it is. Hopefully he takes control of his life and maybe he can again have some fun playing football. The plate of food that was tipped over, maybe the best trigger that this team has had to now right the ship and in a broader perspective maybe this can help address the hazing of rookies across the whole NFL.
I am 100% behind Martin and I remain optimistic that he gets the opportunity to show what he can do on our team, without the fear of pervasive bullying from a thug.

You cant be serious...You honestly think Martin will play another pro football down? Do you really think he's welcome to come back to the Fins, or to any NFL team for that matter? Let me tell you one thing, every NFL player right now is pissed and discussed with Martin, you think some posters on this site are harsh on Martin, its actually pretty vanilla compared to what the player, coaches and GMs think...Martin is DONE!

 

[SkapePhin]

"Different kind of cat?" Martin is a genuine intellectual, both parents educated at Harvard, he graduated from Stanford and he just also happened to be good at football, too. The only things he has in common with Incognito is the color of their jerseys and the toilets they use to take a leak. Imagine for a second, the living hell that Martin has endured for 8 - 10 hours every day, being subjected to bullying from a veteran thug (proclaimed as the undisputed dirtiest player in the NFL), ever since he was drafted 18 months ago. All condoned in the spirit of toughening him up. Ultimately it reached a threshold last Monday in the cafeteria and he snapped.
No, he didn't handle it well, he finally cracked, but his living hell is exposed to everyone for what it is. Hopefully he takes control of his life and maybe he can again have some fun playing football. The plate of food that was tipped over, maybe the best trigger that this team has had to now right the ship and in a broader perspective maybe this can help address the hazing of rookies across the whole NFL.
I am 100% behind Martin and I remain optimistic that he gets the opportunity to show what he can do on our team, without the fear of pervasive bullying from a thug.

An intellectual in an environment infest with lug nuts would be considered a "different kind of cat" for the environment. That is what I was getting at. Ricky was the same way, but he made it work because he had an Eastern mystic perspective on life and learned to let the crap around him wash over him. He took control of his own life, and didn't let others dictate their will and perceptions on him. Ricky embraced his "weirdness" in the locker room, while Martin was intimidated by it. That's the difference.

In the end, the NFL isn't the right environment for Martin. No shame in that, but the way he went about this whole thing was try miscalculated. He ended up hurting a lot of innocents in this whole process. Heck, this whole fiasco may inadvertently put Tannehill's health and career at risk. Had this been handled through the proper channels, all parties would be better off.

I am not absolving Incognito of blame though. He is absolutely at fault for his vile words and being so completely dense as to not get a proper read on how Martin was handling all this. In addition, Philbin and crew are responsible for creating an atmosphere where a guy like Martin possibly didn't feel comfortable going to management for help...

 

[goulds]

All I can take from this is the O line seemed to play a bit better with both Martin and Incog out

Mckinnie, Garner, pouncy, Jerry, Clabo and go forward from there

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

possible suspect? too me after what we know now its a racist remark.....u dont see it?

What the **** are you talking about. Kill that he's a racist **** bro. You can call COGS whatever you want, but racist is a big stretch. Poor choice of words maybe. But if he's using those words around football players all his live and they accept it for what it is, than that's that. I have plenty of friends that use that word NIGGA around me, barber (Spanish) Boss, (Italian) Co-workers, and etc. By now, you should know when some tea-party redneck is using the work ******, than someone using the word NIGGA...

 

[Chri$]

i understand what ur saying but when u play for the NFL u would be FOOLISH to use that word freely and without conscience especially being as WHITE as cogz is.
the point of him being racist or not isnt the point,its the fact that he will look racist to MILLIONS of people for the sheer fact he is a WHITE man using a word that is RARELY heard from white celebrities...or white athletes for that matter,he dug his own grave here and i have zero remorse for it,im just speaking my mind about this but it doesnt reflect how i feel about the dolphins as a team,organization or anything because i love the dolphins and will continue to support THEM,if hes suspended he deserved it and as it looks hes never coming back to the team so why even waste ur time defending him!