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Magoo's Keys to the Game (Patriots edition)

Ok let me explain what im trying to say.

McCourty as a rookie was better than Vontae and Smith, hell he had one of the best rookie season from a corner in a long time. I want to see.him this year when he doesnt surprise people and see if he can lockdown number 1s like Davis does. Snith is even a great lockdown cb. I live Mccourty as a player. He is gonna be a top 5 corner for awhile. But I'm not claiming him the next coming of Deion when IMO we have 2 better cover corners than him.

No, I get what you're saying. I hope that Smith and Vontae are better than McCourty is right now and would expect them to be, having been in the league one more year. I just disagree that McCourty is overrated (I haven't seen anyone comparing him to Deion, though, which would be overrating him, obviously), which is what you said originally. The guy has the goods.

As for Smith and Vontae, I've got to say that what I've heard out of them encourages me as much as anything I've heard from anyone outside of Henne. If Vontae can eliminate the lapses in concentration, he can be pretty much as good as he wants to be (his short arms and lack of truly elite speed are really the only things that will hold him back at all). Smith has the ability to be an Asomougha kind of player. His intelligence mitigates some of his short area quickness issues in zone coverage (he's apparently put a lot of work into his short area quickness and endurance this offseason, which I think are the exact two things he should have worked on).

Should be a great season of CB play for the Dolphins.
 
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Love the break down Mr. Magoo but the one thing that scares me is Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis.....I think we have the horses to contain the Pats passing game which will rely heavy on the TE and Welker (if he's healthy)....my worry is can Burnett stop the hard running of Ellis.....I am more concerned with him than the pats wr......if he gets going we will never get them off the field.......I think when Healthy this kid is dangerous and underrated.......

Great stuff love when you break it down.....this what I like and Monday can't get here soon enough.....
 
magoo, would you try to exploit Solder by sending your big dog after him or would you try to get more pressure by moving Wake over to Light's side and try your luck with Misi/Taylor on Solder?
 
Love the break down Mr. Magoo but the one thing that scares me is Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis.....I think we have the horses to contain the Pats passing game which will rely heavy on the TE and Welker (if he's healthy)....my worry is can Burnett stop the hard running of Ellis.....I am more concerned with him than the pats wr......if he gets going we will never get them off the field.......I think when Healthy this kid is dangerous and underrated.......

Great stuff love when you break it down.....this what I like and Monday can't get here soon enough.....

I'm not as scared by Ellis as you. I don't really think he has much talent. But one thing I do think and I put it in my original post is that the Patriots have a very good run blocking offensive line. People get so wrapped up in stopping their passing game that when they do run they're effective because people aren't focusing on it. Ellis runs hard and gets what's there but that's all. But like you said, their passing game is so dynamic that when their running game is working they're very hard to stop. Impossible is probably even a better word for it.
 
magoo, would you try to exploit Solder by sending your big dog after him or would you try to get more pressure by moving Wake over to Light's side and try your luck with Misi/Taylor on Solder?

This is a really good question. I struggle with this. I can see the logic of both sides and I do think we'll see Wake rush against Light in this game to give Misi and Taylor a chance to see if they can get consistent pressure rushing against Solder. But at the end of the day I like the fear that matching up Wake on Solder will strike in that offense. I like the fact that their reaction to that fear will be somewhat predictable and the counter blitzes you can run as a result. If you can get Brady to start guessing whether we're really rushing Wake or blitzing from the other side, and you catch him sliding his protection away from Wake... and Wake rushes anyway?

Well... the result of that could be a very beautiful thing.
 
This is a really good question. I struggle with this. I can see the logic of both sides and I do think we'll see Wake rush against Light in this game to give Misi and Taylor a chance to see if they can get consistent pressure rushing against Solder. But at the end of the day I like the fear that matching up Wake on Solder will strike in that offense. I like the fact that their reaction to that fear will be somewhat predictable and the counter blitzes you can run as a result. If you can get Brady to start guessing whether we're really rushing Wake or blitzing from the other side, and you catch him sliding his protection away from Wake... and Wake rushes anyway. Boom. Bring out the stretcher.

that's my trail of thought as well. Solder is playing his first real game. he's going to have some rookie jitters. he's certainly not getting more comfortable by lining up against one of the best pass-rushers. i'd go after Solder with Wake early on. if we can get a few hits on Brady this way, you can be sure he'll be on the look-out for #91 the rest of the game.
 
Good stuff! Maybe they should have YOU on ESPN instead of Boomer and Tom. You'd definitely make a joke out of those two. :lol: Great analyses, though.
 
excellent read. there is hope unless brady has all week to stand back there and pick us apart. fully expect us to expose the patriots' focus on wake by blitzing the hell out of the strong side. making brady uncomfortable has always been the key to beating those cheats.
 
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Daboll should be able to figure this defense out...heck, he put up 34 points on their a$S last year ;) Running perimeter to the rescue!! Just bush and not Hillis
 
Daboll should be able to figure this defense out...heck, he put up 34 points on their a$S last year ;) Running perimeter to the rescue!! Just bush and not Hillis

I think the game plan of the Browns game last year and the Dolphin game this year will be as different as can be. The Browns used Hillis as a hammer against the Patriots and built everything off of that. His whole system there was built around avoiding the Browns' ****ty WR core.

One thing I've got to give the guy credit for: he's flexible. The strengths of our offense are completely different than the strengths in Cleveland, and he appears to have recognized that and built the scheme accordingly.
 
Not that I dont agree here but ya know what my wife would say?

JUST DONT TURN THE BALL OVER AND SCORE MORE POINTS.
 
Not that I dont agree here but ya know what my wife would say?

JUST DONT TURN THE BALL OVER AND SCORE MORE POINTS.

Your wife sounds like she would be a great coach. The only thing I'd say is her philosophy is a bit too complex. If you score more points, after all, it really doesn't matter how many times you turn the ball over. :D
 
par for the course with magoo...intelligent football related discussion and analysis...what i've come to expect from him...nice work

couple points from me...

20 personnel package sounds great but i don't think i ever recall seeing bush and thomas in the same backfield during the preseason...not even once...it was one or the other...doesn't mean it might not be a wrinkle in tonights game though...and your breakdown seems sound to me

devin mccourty is absolutely awesome...super sweet feet at the combine explosive...after revis right now i'd have to say he's the 2nd best boundary cb in the afc...he showed that well last year...just slightly ahead of vontae who i have as 3rd

a gap blitzes if you watched pouncey this preseason were the one thing in pass pro i saw him struggle with...combo blocking with a guard and not recognizing the delayed lb blitzing up the middle til too late...definitely something i would want to test if i was beli with pouncey...great point

sean smith over hernandez when he's flexed out makes great sense to me...that big wr/te is what smiths tools are better suited for anyways...not as quick twitch as the little speedy quick wrs smith should be able to match his feet and stay in his hip and use his length to disrupt plays...but i think if you go that route you can't hide carroll as the coming on boundary cb opposite vontae...

i'm not a huge fan of ochos game anymore i think age has caught up he's crafty and all and i think vontae can lock him or branch down pretty much hell i'm more afraid of branch but whoever gets carroll with their veteran seasoning and craftiness can probably make some hay when smith shifts over hernandez...so i'd look for brady to try and exploit it...maybe we provide a little more shaded over the top safety help to carrolls side

i don't agree with putting your best cb i assume you meant vontae over welker...we need him on the boundary...i think the better thing to do is let sapp press welker and jam him at the los and then let a crafty ilb with such a feel for the passing game drop reading bradys eyes for anything underneath on that side...sort of double him without doubling him by dropping the lb after the snap occasionally...i like burnett being able to jump in front of anything late over the middle and underneath

i don't agree that vontae lacks top end speed...he ran 4.4 flat pretty much at the combine at 200 plus lbs and has eye popping quick acceleration and explosion and closing speed

i think we're gonna see a lot of 2 te sets with 2 wrs and a single back tonight...keeping gronk in to help solder over wake and hernandez flexed out with ocho and branch the 2 wrs...i also expect a lot of no huddle from the patriots to keep us from being able to sub in fresh d line personnel...i hope our guys conditioning is up to par cause the pats o is gonna test it
 
par for the course with magoo...intelligent football related discussion and analysis...what i've come to expect from him...nice work

couple points from me...

20 personnel package sounds great but i don't think i ever recall seeing bush and thomas in the same backfield during the preseason...not even once...it was one or the other...doesn't mean it might not be a wrinkle in tonights game though...and your breakdown seems sound to me

First of all, thank you.

Second of all, as for 20 personnel... I didn't see them run it either. Not once. And they may not. There are all kinds of ways to exploit the way a defense reacts to Bush. Every time he takes the field the defense has to make a decision whether to counter him with a corner or a linebacker or even a safety, and every one of those responses has inherent weaknesses. The 20 personnel and formation thing is just a way to do it as sort of a sub-offense set of plays (run hurry-up) that keeps the defense honest relative to the run or pass. Pure speculation by me. It's just something I think might work.

devin mccourty is absolutely awesome...super sweet feet at the combine explosive...after revis right now i'd have to say he's the 2nd best boundary cb in the afc...he showed that well last year...just slightly ahead of vontae who i have as 3rd

Interesting. I've never really thought about ranking the CBs. But McCourty would definitely be up there. Jonathan Joseph would have to be in any discussion as well... Leon Hall would be up there too, though not as high as Joseph. Joe Haden also flashed some serious skills as a rookie... definitely played better than I thought he would. And let's not forget about Jason Allen, either. :D

a gap blitzes if you watched pouncey this preseason were the one thing in pass pro i saw him struggle with...combo blocking with a guard and not recognizing the delayed lb blitzing up the middle til too late...definitely something i would want to test if i was beli with pouncey...great point

Agreed. And it lines up with the fact that they've had Jerod Mayo blitzing a lot this preseason. Much more than in the past.

sean smith over hernandez when he's flexed out makes great sense to me...that big wr/te is what smiths tools are better suited for anyways...not as quick twitch as the little speedy quick wrs smith should be able to match his feet and stay in his hip and use his length to disrupt plays...but i think if you go that route you can't hide carroll as the coming on boundary cb opposite vontae...

i'm not a huge fan of ochos game anymore i think age has caught up he's crafty and all and i think vontae can lock him or branch down pretty much hell i'm more afraid of branch but whoever gets carroll with their veteran seasoning and craftiness can probably make some hay when smith shifts over hernandez...so i'd look for brady to try and exploit it...maybe we provide a little more shaded over the top safety help to carrolls side

i don't agree with putting your best cb i assume you meant vontae over welker...we need him on the boundary...i think the better thing to do is let sapp press welker and jam him at the los and then let a crafty ilb with such a feel for the passing game drop reading bradys eyes for anything underneath on that side...sort of double him without doubling him by dropping the lb after the snap occasionally...i like burnett being able to jump in front of anything late over the middle and underneath

Yeah, I don't disagree. Anything you do leaves open other things. If you're going to cover Hernandez with Smith, then that pretty much means you're going to have Nolan Carroll out there against anything but a power look. Shading the safety is probably the way to go, but Carroll was so shaky in the preseason and the Patriots' receivers are so crafty, as you say, it makes me nervous. Fortunately, with Moss (and Brandon Tate) out of the picture I'm not scared of any of the Patriots' receivers going deep.

i don't agree that vontae lacks top end speed...he ran 4.4 flat pretty much at the combine at 200 plus lbs and has eye popping quick acceleration and explosion and closing speed

I just meant truly elite deep speed. It's not a knock against the guy. It probably doesn't matter though. He's every bit as fast as Revis, which means he's fast enough. The short arms thing bothers me more, but the mental lapses thing bother me more than anything.

i think we're gonna see a lot of 2 te sets with 2 wrs and a single back tonight...keeping gronk in to help solder over wake and hernandez flexed out with ocho and branch the 2 wrs...i also expect a lot of no huddle from the patriots to keep us from being able to sub in fresh d line personnel...i hope our guys conditioning is up to par cause the pats o is gonna test it

I heard a statistic yesterday than the Patriots had two or more tight ends on the field for more than 600 offensive snaps last year, which was 200 more than the next closest team. It's definitely their base set now. One reason I think we matchup with their defense fairly well is that we have some big guys (Dansby, Burnett, Sean Smith) who are also really good athletes in coverage. Most teams don't have people of that caliber on their team. Another factor I didn't cover is the fact that Nolan has had pretty good success against Brady in the last two years. In the first Patriots game and in the Pats game against the Broncos the year before, Nolan's defenses frustrated the hell of out Brady... as much as any team's frustrated him.
 
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Apparently Eric Mangini said today the Dolphins should run quick tempo and/or no huddle a lot tonight, with the purpose to test the communication on the Patriots' new defense and also their conditioning.

The second was a point I made in my original post but the first is also a good reason to do it. Let's hope they're listening.
 
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