Mando: Complex Decision of Firing Philbin's Assistants

[MD]

Imagine if Sherman gets whacked and Zac Taylor gets promoted. Unfortunately, a move like that wouldn't be a shocker.

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[phishxhead]

A few things that Joe has done that I do not like that goes against my personal football philosophy. One, this team is softer. I like a physical blue collar team. I think the defense has regressed on his watch. If the team was better at stopping the run and getting teams in the known passing situation, maybe they would create more turnovers. Also, the lack of commitment to the run game bothers me. I believe in running the ball to set up play action and keep the sticks moving. However, again, they have turned the offense into a finesse looking group.

But they don't have the personnel to do what you want, granted which is somewhat due to Philbins philosophy. I don't think it is philbins philosophy to have bad RBs, OL, QB, TEs and average WRs, that is on Ireland.

 

[NYPhinzFan]

I also believe that Ireland is being blamed way too much for how the team performed. You bring Harbaugh and his staff in to coach this same roster and we're in the playoffs.

It's clear that Ireland involves Philbin in the personnel process, we saw glimpses of that in Hard Knocks when he bounced the Vontae trade off of Philbin before he pulled the trigger. Anyone who thinks Ireland makes personnel decisions in a vaccuum is insane. When Philbin was hired the resounding mantra was that the front office and the coaching staff would be in constant communication.

I'm sorry, but I blame how this team finished on JOE PHILBIN AND COACHING STAFF. Is this team loaded with pro bowlers? no. But they are far from talentless. Every team has deficiencies. Our issues were with Oline and playcalling. I don't even blame the defense, because no defense holds every team under 14 points each week. Your offense HAS to go out and score points. It wasn't a surprise to anyone that our Oline belonged on a flag football team after a few weeks, so account for it! They still ran the same plays in the same schemes in week 17 that they did in week 4. That's on the coaching staff!

 

[roy_miami]

I thought he was pretty clutch vs. Atlanta, Cincinnati, Pitt and home against New England.

He also gave the team a puncher's chance in losing effort vs. Baltimore.

Its pretty rare for team to win when their QB has a passer rating of 50 or less. I found one example where buttfumble won a game 7-6 with a rating in the 40's. Even looking at the best coached teams like the Ravens, 49ers, Patriots and Giants all lose 100% of the time when the QB has a rating of 50 or less.

 

[jason_taylor]

Umm, you got help me. I have no idea what you are saying...

My position on the Albert deal was that a move should have been made for pick 2b or 3a or a conditional for this year...and not the early pick in round 2.

This is what ive been saying along with some others , it isnt always good to build 100% through the draft , IF we can find a player that is young enough and is a pretty good player , lets say ALBERT , i would have rather had Albert with pick 2b or 3a , he is proven , and i would have rather used one of our picks in the draft to grab him ,nothing is guaranteed in the draft ,that proves it , in the last 2 drafts how many starters have we picked ? 1 ? out of 14 picks we have one starter ,we are never going to get quality players if we stay the course that we are on .we need somebody that knows how to evaluate Talent , wheather its useing the pick in the draft , or trading the pick to another team for a player that we need at that poss ,imo we cant stay the course that we are on because who ever is in charge of the draft picks just isnt getting it done .

 

[jason_taylor]

I also believe that Ireland is being blamed way too much for how the team performed. You bring Harbaugh and his staff in to coach this same roster and we're in the playoffs.

It's clear that Ireland involves Philbin in the personnel process, we saw glimpses of that in Hard Knocks when he bounced the Vontae trade off of Philbin before he pulled the trigger. Anyone who thinks Ireland makes personnel decisions in a vaccuum is insane. When Philbin was hired the resounding mantra was that the front office and the coaching staff would be in constant communication.

I'm sorry, but I blame how this team finished on JOE PHILBIN AND COACHING STAFF. Is this team loaded with pro bowlers? no. But they are far from talentless. Every team has deficiencies. Our issues were with Oline and playcalling. I don't even blame the defense, because no defense holds every team under 14 points each week. Your offense HAS to go out and score points. It wasn't a surprise to anyone that our Oline belonged on a flag football team after a few weeks, so account for it! They still ran the same plays in the same schemes in week 17 that they did in week 4. That's on the coaching staff!

No its not just one , ITS BOTH Philbin and Ireland that make the decisions BOTH are to blame .

 

[NYPhinzFan]

No its not just one , ITS BOTH Philbin and Ireland that make the decisions BOTH are to blame .

Agreed, however there wasn't much Ireland could do by way of personnel late into the season. They all **** the bed by going into the season what the oline in it's state, but the coaching staff knew the Oline wasn't what they thought it could be quite early in the season, yet they continued to do the same things. At least attempt to make up for the deficiencies. How many Lamar Miller's up the middle out of shotgun needs to be stuffed for no gain before you put that play to bed? Tannehill runs the read option and picks up 50 yards, never saw it again...

 

[jason_taylor]

Agreed, however there wasn't much Ireland could do by way of personnel late into the season. They all **** the bed by going into the season what the oline in it's state, but the coaching staff knew the Oline wasn't what they thought it could be quite early in the season, yet they continued to do the same things. At least attempt to make up for the deficiencies. How many Lamar Miller's up the middle out of shotgun needs to be stuffed for no gain before you put that play to bed? Tannehill runs the read option and picks up 50 yards, never saw it again...

I Agree .

 

[miamiron]

and the winner loses on!

I heard Cyril Richardson compared to Larry Allen last night. interesting.

Larry Allen could bench press Richardson

 

[miamiron]

Would u pass up a dysfunctional job if it meant you could be paid hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars? Idk many jobless people/coaches that would turn that down. Especially if they have a budding star QB and talent on the offensive line.

Talent on the offensive line...GOOD GOD HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MARBLES

 

[Atila]

I also believe that Ireland is being blamed way too much for how the team performed. You bring Harbaugh and his staff in to coach this same roster and we're in the playoffs.

It's clear that Ireland involves Philbin in the personnel process, we saw glimpses of that in Hard Knocks when he bounced the Vontae trade off of Philbin before he pulled the trigger. Anyone who thinks Ireland makes personnel decisions in a vaccuum is insane. When Philbin was hired the resounding mantra was that the front office and the coaching staff would be in constant communication.

I'm sorry, but I blame how this team finished on JOE PHILBIN AND COACHING STAFF. Is this team loaded with pro bowlers? no. But they are far from talentless. Every team has deficiencies. Our issues were with Oline and playcalling. I don't even blame the defense, because no defense holds every team under 14 points each week. Your offense HAS to go out and score points. It wasn't a surprise to anyone that our Oline belonged on a flag football team after a few weeks, so account for it! They still ran the same plays in the same schemes in week 17 that they did in week 4. That's on the coaching staff!

Absolutely this. It's a shame that it took 2 straight chokes in must-win games for people (not you) to start realizing that Philbin under-performed this season, but he did. All season long Philbin was getting a pass, but he was a mediocre leader and in-game manager consistently throughout the season (one of our few consistencies, ironically enough).