Max Jean-Gilles

[Zeke0123]

I agree with BlueFin on this. A guard would have to be pretty damn special for me to even consider him at 16. And I see Jean-Guilles as very good... but not special.

But that's MY philosophy (and many others), I have no idea how much value Saban places on guards.

well lets see...he said he wanted to sign an "impact interior OL" in FA so he does in fact "Value" interior OL.

 

[Boomer]

The only nonsense is some of the drivel you post my friend, and if you don't understand that guards values are diminished in the top of the first round, and that NFL teams only reach for guards in the top half of round one in rare circumstances, then you need to re-read your "Everything You Ever Needed to Know About American Football Manual".

Just go back in the previous drafts and see how many guards were drafted in the top 16, then maybe you'll realize the only nonsense posted here was somebody thinking Jean Giles would be drafted at 16 or higher.

FLMAO. Once again you clearly have no understanding as to HOW TEAMS STACK A DRAFT BOARD.

Oh no, sorry I forgot, you know what Saban is doing as you make cast iron guarantees. I fully understand the value of guards is to be found in later rounds. What you clearly cannot grasp is that if Miami have him highly rated and he's their #1 player on their value board at 16, then that's what they do, no matter what your buddy Nick Saban might be telling you.

 

[Boomer]

Where was Faneca drafted? Not in the top 16.

When or where did I say he was?

Please point that out to me.

 

[CD13]

Listen, I still bemoan the fact that we didn't draft Alan Faneca when we had the chance. MJG might not be as good as Faneca, but he's performed consistently well in the best conference in college football at a variety of positions. Sometimes you've just got to pull the trigger on the guys you just know are going to be players. For sure he's in my top 10 of guys we are looking at at 16. Whoever drafts him is going to have a hell of a player.

I don't know enough about him to judge, but I do know, typically that is high for a guard. That is just the general sense. IBut hell yeah I wish we had Faneca, Pittsburgh wouldn't have won the Super Bowl without him. If he is projected to be that good then it is probably not a reach. Would you take him over Justice ?

 

[Boomer]

I agree with BlueFin on this. A guard would have to be pretty damn special for me to even consider him at 16. And I see Jean-Guilles as very good... but not special.

But that's MY philosophy (and many others), I have no idea how much value Saban places on guards.

I'm not saying that's what they'll do and I absolutely agree that the best value on guards is in later rounds. Like you say it's the value that Nick places on them that counts. Remmeber, we run a lot up the gut. We've struggled to get great push off the ball the last couple of years as James hasn't fulfilled the calibre he showed in Carolina and Hadnot has been inconsistent, coupled with the mediocrity of McKinney.

We'll see how it plays out.

 

[BlueFin]

well lets see...he said he wanted to sign an "impact interior OL" in FA so he does in fact "Value" interior OL.

Assuming you quoted him correctly, which I'm not sure you did, what has signing a free agent guard have to with a debate about a guard getting drafted in the top 16 of the NFL draft?

Apples and oranges, yes, he might sign a proven commodity in free agency, but you won't see him reach for a guard at 16 in this draft.

 

[Boomer]

I don't know enough about him to judge, but I do know, typically that is high for a guard. That is just the general sense. IBut hell yeah I wish we had Faneca, Pittsburgh wouldn't have won the Super Bowl without him. If he is projected to be that good then it is probably not a reach. Would you take him over Justice ?

I think a lot of it depends on where Saban and Houck think Vernon Carey is going to play. Do they think he'll play RT? If so, then he - MGJ - becomes more of an option. Do they see Carey at RG? If that's the case, then Justice for sure is the option.

Personally I'd take Justice over the two, but I'd have no problems with either.

 

[BlueFin]

When or where did I say he was?

Please point that out to me.

You used him in the context of defending a decision to draft Jean Giles, and the point was you didn't have to use a top 16 pick to get Faneca, I believe he was drafted at 24-26 or thereabouts.

 

[LIQUID24]

I'm not saying that's what they'll do and I absolutely agree that the best value on guards is in later rounds. Like you say it's the value that Nick places on them that counts. Remmeber, we run a lot up the gut. We've struggled to get great push off the ball the last couple of years as James hasn't fulfilled the calibre he showed in Carolina and Hadnot has been inconsistent, coupled with the mediocrity of McKinney.

We'll see how it plays out.

All true. Is there any chance he falls to our 2nd rounder? I wouldn't mind taking him there.:D

 

[Boomer]

I don't know enough about him to judge, but I do know, typically that is high for a guard. That is just the general sense. IBut hell yeah I wish we had Faneca, Pittsburgh wouldn't have won the Super Bowl without him. If he is projected to be that good then it is probably not a reach. Would you take him over Justice ?

I think a lot of it depends on where Saban and Houck think Vernon Carey is going to play. Do they think he'll play RT? If so, then he - MGJ - becomes more of an option. Do they see Carey at RG? If that's the case, then Justice for sure is the option.

Personally I'd take Justice over the two, but I'd have no problems with either.

 

[LIQUID24]

Edit double post.

 

[SWS84]

Hi Steve, yep we're all good. Hope college is going well?

Listen, I still bemoan the fact that we didn't draft Alan Faneca when we had the chance. MJG might not be as good as Faneca, but he's performed consistently well in the best conference in college football at a variety of positions. Sometimes you've just got to pull the trigger on the guys you just know are going to be players. For sure he's in my top 10 of guys we are looking at at 16. Whoever drafts him is going to have a hell of a player.

Thanks Simon,

I'm hanging in there. This is my last semester at Valencia Community College and then I should start going to UCF in the fall. Thanks for the input about drafting strategies. I'm no expert, but this type of thinking makes sense to me. I would rather play it safe with a known productive player than take a chance on a guy based on his potential and have him flop. I don't agree with some saying OG's are easy to find. If that were the case, our running backs would run the ball right up the middle instead of having to run towards the edge around the D-line.

Steve

 

[Boomer]

Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black there MR. draft guru.

I've been watching drafts a lot longer than you have, and it is fact that guards are de-valued in the top half of round one because of the position they play. I happen to be friends with an ex-NFL head coach of 9 years.

We'll see come April if Jean Giles is a top 16 pick, and again, I challenge you to go back in previous drafts and count the number of guards that went in the top 16 picks.

None of these points are even remotely relevent. But well done for continuing to prove your lack of any knowledge on the point of a draft board. I could care less if Joan of Arc was your mum, it still has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Oh and I'm still waiting for you to show me the point about Faneca.

 

[Boomer]

You used him in the context of defending a decision to draft Jean Giles, and the point was you didn't have to use a top 16 pick to get Faneca, I believe he was drafted at 24-26 or thereabouts.

So at which point did I say he was a top 16 pick?

Or did you just get that wrong as well?

 

[Philter25]

I have much more of a clue about this than you do my Canadien friend, because it is a fact that NFL GM's know that guards are easier to find than other positions, it is an easier position to play on the line than the other line positions....that is a fact, and all your rhetoric doesn't change those facts.

Its about value, you simply don't use a top 20 pick on a guard, unless its an extremely rare guard, and there aren't impact players at other positions availalble, that WILL not be the case in this draft.

There are impact players at DB, LB, OT, and maybe even QB that will be available that you DON'T draft a Jean Jiles over.

What pick did we take Carey at? Also, didnt Philly trade UP to take Shawn Andrews, who right now is playing RG.

I wouldnt be upset if we took MJG at #16. If he is rated high on our draft board and all the guys before him are taken, then so be it.