Merged: All T.O. Trade Threads

[fear-the-d]

I'd do that in a heartbeat.

know one in there right mind wouldnt who is a fin fan but RW is worth next to nothing and TO is worth much much more

 

[DeathStar]

i dont want that jackass.

you ricky haters make me sick.

 

[Dphins4me]

I hate TO as much as the next guy, but don't we sound a tad bit hypocritical?

TO goes out in the Super Bowl on ONE leg after signing a waiver and sacrifices his body, risking further injury.. because he knows it gives his TEAM the best chance to win. He's not a team player, but on the other hand...

...you have Ricky Williams, who flat out QUITS on his team at the worst possible time in the offseason, leaving them basically dead in the water. Yet Ricky is the team player and Owens is a selfish POS? (TO is, just for different reasons)

I completely disagree.

To compare RW & TO is comparing apples & oranges.

Yes, TO went out & played in the SB. He got something out of it also. He got to play on the big stage & have everyone talk about what he was doing.

He got something out of playing. Don't fool yourself into thinking he did it soley for the team.

What RW did was wrong, but lets take notice. Other players have retire on the eve of camp. Two starters did so this year, Ted Johnson for the Pat & Meadows for the Panthers. So what RW did is not something that others have not also done.

 

[Dphins4me]

Having good depth at the running back position is important, but really Owens is a far superior player than Ricky Wililams right now. Green Bay did have solid depth at running back but Davenport and Green both went down as did Javon Walker, but even with them in they were not producing. Look at Culpepper he had one of the best years ever for a QB last year loses an elite wideout in Moss and looks terrible. RW probably is more valuable because TO will most likely never be a Dolphin, but if he did become a Dolphin there is no way a backup running back is more valuable than one of the top 3 wideouts in the league.

RW is not just a back up RB. Back up RBs do not carry the ball 17 times.

As for TO. I do not care if Miami had Jerry Rice in his prime. If a QB cannot deliever the ball to them, then it matters not how open they are.

You could not get anymore open then Welker was in the endzone last week & the ball sailed over his head & out of bounds. Having Welker there or TO would not have mattered. It was a uncatchable pass.

 

[Dphins4me]

So because a guy may have a higher vertical he is a better player? Chris Chambers is not an elite wideout, he would not be a #1 option on most teams, while Owens would be on basically every team in the league.

You could not have missed my point anymore had you tried to miss it.

My point was it does not matter if Chambers is open when the ball goes sailing over his head. Chamber by far has a better vertical than Owens & if he cannot leap up to catch it, then TO does not stand a prayer in catching it when it sails over his head.

That was my point on the vertical leap.

As for Chambers not being a elite WR? Let him play with a QB that can deliver the ball & lets see what he can do. If Chambers played in Indy, then he would be considered one of the best in the game today.

 

[byroan]

I'd take T.O...I'd love to see how many people on here get pissed because of us getting him. Just imagine the threads and the posts. You think the posts after a loss are bad?

 

[PHINANALYST]

For all the folks that absolutely bashed Ricky for his antics last year - now want TO to be PHIN ....

P-L-E-A-S-E ....

TOs happiness lasted how long in PHILLY, um 1 year ...

He is a totally selfish player ... and can't imagine him with GUS now - or a rookie next year ..

H-E-L-L-O

Forget about TO ....

 

[cnc66]

I'm tellin ya boys, this has EVERYTHING to do with the spotlight on Bruschi last weekend... TO cannot stand to be upstaged in the press. Last weekend we were SICK of Teddy, only kryptonite can hurt me, Bruschi. THIS weekend it is TO...up in the spotlight.

 

[poppy]

I'll blame it on Ricky. He's a big boy and knew what he was doing. He screwed this team over badly last year. To say any different is asinine.

And he's helping his team out this year and perhaps for years to come. To say any different is assinine.

 

[G-Force]

To compare RW & TO is comparing apples & oranges.

Yes, TO went out & played in the SB. He got something out of it also. He got to play on the big stage & have everyone talk about what he was doing.

He got something out of playing. Don't fool yourself into thinking he did it soley for the team.

What RW did was wrong, but lets take notice. Other players have retire on the eve of camp. Two starters did so this year, Ted Johnson for the Pat & Meadows for the Panthers. So what RW did is not something that others have not also done.

Don't forget the SB was the only playoff game he played in and the Eagles got there without him and for the most part of the SB he was crying and causing problems on the sidelines which might have contributed to the loss.

 

[Ohio Fanatic]

bad idea, dumb idea

 

[G-Force]

Allright you Ricky haters tell me who we had to pull for on offense that was reliable while he was here. You can hate the man if you choose but his body was being put through a meat grinder every week and was the person that carried our beloved franchise. If you look at all the factors contributing to his retirement I think he did what was best for him at the time and got his life straight and he came back to help our team and is. To correct one of my statements above it was Ricky and our D that carried us.

 

[PhinBeck]

I hate TO as much as the next guy, but don't we sound a tad bit hypocritical?

TO goes out in the Super Bowl on ONE leg after signing a waiver and sacrifices his body, risking further injury.. because he knows it gives his TEAM the best chance to win. He's not a team player, but on the other hand...

...you have Ricky Williams, who flat out QUITS on his team at the worst possible time in the offseason, leaving them basically dead in the water. Yet Ricky is the team player and Owens is a selfish POS? (TO is, just for different reasons)

I completely disagree.

A - What kind of teammate is Ricky? The team has welcomed him back with open arms, he has been a solid person in the lockerroom. He has helped Ronnie learn teh game. Yes he quit, which was bad, but he made amends with the team and teh team accepts him.

B - To didnt quit, he became a distraction. His team dislikes him and teh team suspended him indefinitely twice. He didnt quit, he became a cancer. The team is happy he is gone.

 

[G-Force]

I'd take T.O...I'd love to see how many people on here get pissed because of us getting him. Just imagine the threads and the posts. You think the posts after a loss are bad?

I am not joking on this matter and mean it from the bottom of my heart. I love football it is a passion and the greatest sport in the world. I love my Dolphins and stick with them through thick and thin but if TO was to be a Dolphin doing anything besides playing with his pom poms I would hang up my colors and not watch any NFL football till he was off the team. He is a discrace and represents evrything a football player should'nt be. I use to think that I hated Deion but I never really knew what hate was before that TO POS came along. Please don't think I'm a fairweather fan because I would'nt never pull for anyone other than my Dolphins and it would be one of the hardest things I have ever done but I don't want to see him tarnish my team which he will. He had SF send Jerry packing and make him their franchise player SF is at the bottom because of him so he cries and goes to Philly. Philly is a annual contender but it looks like their on the way to see SF if they let him come back. In all my years of playing ball on any team elementary through semi-pro if the management or coaches brought him back after doing and saying the things he said he would be the only player on it.

 

[LarryFinFan]

I can see the conversation now....


Nick: TO, to make this trade, you have to be a productive WR, which you have proven to be. You have to be a good teammate. Oh, and we're going to pay you $8 m a year to do this...Now, there is a clause in your contract (Section III, paragraph 8) that states the we have one voice here in Miami and that is me. You can't go running to the press every time Gus overthrows or underthrows you the ball.

TO: Wait, let me look it up first....ummm, oh yes, I see it now...hey, wait a minute....It says here that I have to become a Guskateer...no way...I'll go back to SF first...forget it Nick.....