ckparrothead
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Mainge said:
His height alone knocks him to Day 2 unless he really breaks down and shows something different in his final year at UF (very possible, never know).
Back to Vick vs. Young, I think even though it is the flavor of the week to pick on Mike Vick, he has had a successful pro career. He's won way more games than he's lost. He's only spent one of his five years significantly injured. I consider quarterbacks to be decision makers and I think the decision to run is indeed a decision, and as far as his DECISIONS go if you add his running yardage back onto his passing yardage as completed passes (which they virtually function as), including his touchdown runs, then the guy has a similar career QB rating to Tom Brady, if you did the same thing to him (added back all his runs as completed passes). So all in all you've got a guy who HAS brought his team to an NFC Championship game (in a year in which they had no business being in that game), you have a guy who has won more than he's lost, you have a guy who has a career decision making QB rating in line with some of the other top guys out there...I think he deserves credit for that. People like to make fun of Vick and use Vick as a means to say that Young is better, but Vick runs a more complicated offense than Vince Young has run, he's smarter than Vince Young, he may not have Vince's accuracy but he's been better running a pro style system than Young has been when Texas tried to get him to run the offense the way they have it drawn up. The intelligence is what throws me over the edge. Vick doesn't get much credit for being an intelligent guy but he's a heck of a lot better than Vince Young. If I remember correctly Vick scored a 20 on his first try, not a 6.
And you're going to have to bear with me if I assume that Vince actually scored a 6 on his first try. The NFL is denying it with this piss-poor, extremely vague "incorrectly grraded" excuse, but in actuality that is a LIE pure and simple...the NFL's way of apologizing to Young for the blatant breach of confidentiality that saw someone leaking his wonderlic score to the entire football world before Young had a chance to retake the test (and players are allowed to retake the test as often as they like). The NFL has seirous egg on their face for breaching the confidentiality, and the word among scouts is that the person who leaked the score WILL be fired some time in the near future. To make up for the error, they are fabricating this completely fony "incorrectly graded" excuse so that Vince can retake the thing after studying for it, and his first test result will be discarded.
Alex Smith vs. Brodie Croyle is about a number of things. Alex didn't do great on a horrible team but show me a rookie who does. Only Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, and Dan Marino did really well as rookies. The other thing is Brodie is not quite first round talent. I think if he was, he'd be in the first round because I view the skinny frame to be a true chicken **** argument against him. He doesn't make his way on athleticism. If the skinny frame becomes that much of a concern in the pros (it hasn't in college), then I've never met a man that a little catfish and cornbread couldn't pack some meat on, long as you don't care what kind of meat it is. The knee injury is also a bit of a BS excuse, never heard of a non-running QB whose career was threatened by a knee injury. Those are red herrings, IMO. The true concern is that he just did not direct a very high scoring offense at Alabama and even though everyone knows he had a bad OL and inexperienced WRs, you still didn't see Croyle leading the Bama offense to high scores like Jay Cutler did with lesser talent at Vandy. He's not QUITE first round material, where Alex Smith clearly was. That's why I take Smith over Croyle.
I take Reggie McNeal over JP Losman. I've never liked Losman and I've never felt he'd be a good pro. I don't think he has much will to learn or take direction, I think eventually he'll start calling out teammates and rubbing people the wrong way. I think McNeal has all of Losman's throwing ability, none of Losman's attitude problems, and better feet to boot. Does that mean I think Reggie will be great? Not necessarily. I don't think JP is going to be good and I just said they have the same passing ability. I think you're never going to go wrong with Reggie McNeal because if he can't be a QB he could definitely be a very talented WR and he HAS the will to do it. He wants to find his way on the field no matter what.
I take Charlie Whitehurst over Charlie Frye...and I realize Frye has done pretty well so far in Cleveland while Whitehurst has his problems. I just think talent trumps all. Whitehurst has more top line physical skills than Frye. I think he's a superior passer.
Ingle Martin over Matt Cassel is another talent trumps all card. Martin has a great gun, good accuracy, and pretty fast feet...highly recruited I believe. Matt Cassel...I still don't think we know enough about him even after what he did against our completely disheartened defense in the last game of the season. Cassel was barely a 7th round pick and I believe that will be where Martin ends up so it isn't that I feel strongly either way about this.
