MERGED: Diversity Group Upset With Mueller Hiring | Page 29 | FinHeaven - Miami Dolphins Forums

MERGED: Diversity Group Upset With Mueller Hiring

Anthony3454 said:
These idiots should shut up. If they find a canidate with Mueller's credentials then they can talk, but until they do they should keep their f**king mouths shut.
Click to expand...

Boy did you miss the intend....
 
Dol-Fan Dupree said:
I believe technically they mean African as a race rather than a country.
Click to expand...

Okay. Here is one for you all. Since African American refers to a race. What about the contenent????? I have a friend of mine who was born in Kenya, then moved here to California. Is he African-American??? Is he just Africa??
HERE IS THE PROBLEM......HE's WHITE.

I guess that would make my friend the first white African American, wait....there is Michael Jackson.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Once again I agree with you, Dol-Fan Dupree. The scariest one was atop the thread, thinking affirmative action had been outlawed and virtually rejoicing at the thought.

My dad is a sociology professor. I've read plenty of texts including recent studies. Anyone who thinks this was an issue of 25-50 years ago and not appropos today is sadly base ignorant. The media and therefore our impressions may have changed, the hiring practices have not.
Click to expand...







If I want to rejoice,as YOU put it,thats my perogative,like it or not.I am entitled to my opinion,but if you think having a minority come in for a interview that has NO chance of getting the job isn't a slap in his or her face, wake up and smell the coffee.






As for affirmative action,how fair is that?let me give you an example,Im a contractor in Calif.a few years back,I gave some bids to PG&E to do some work on 3 or 4 buildings.after a week or so,the lady came back and told me I wasted my time giving the bids because they had to give all the work to a minority owned company.you show me fairness in that? thats taking food out of my kids mouth because Im white,is that racisim? if someone can do a better job for a better price,fine,I have NO gripe in that.but to give them the job because of color is assinine.
 
calphin said:
If I want to rejoice,as YOU put it,thats my perogative,like it or not.I am entitled to my opinion,but if you think having a minority come in for a interview that has NO chance of getting the job isn't a slap in his or her face, wake up and smell the coffee.






As for affirmative action,how fair is that?let me give you an example,Im a contractor in Calif.a few years back,I gave some bids to PG&E to do some work on 3 or 4 buildings.after a week or so,the lady came back and told me I wasted my time giving the bids because they had to give all the work to a minority owned company.you show me fairness in that? thats taking food out of my kids mouth because Im white,is that racisim? if someone can do a better job for a better price,fine,I have NO gripe in that.but to give them the job because of color is assinine.
Click to expand...


That's the lie, they didn't have to give it to a minority, that's how it's spent to get you guys mad and let you know you didn't win it. A lot of times that minority firm is very capable and won it fair and square, but it's not told to the majority, because there's still a we're better than them mentality out there, and it's hard to accept that a minority may be better at something..This I know because some of my friends have told me that...now the sad thing here is see how you felt when she told you that...think about how that felt for so many years to minorities when they tried to appy for jobs, basically, hey you're wasting your time, you're not exactly the right canidate..and this still goes on, believe it or not..and before someone say, hey you can sue their butts for that...the minute you expose something like that, you get this type of thread...You can't even report racism because you're get, I'm tire of minorities crying racism when things don't go their way, and minorities are really tire of the majority crying reverse discrimination when things don't go theiir way. The majority have a 200 year head start, and while it's not prefect, how do ppl propose that some of the inequities of the pass be made up a little now...Affirmative action was put in place for that, but as it wasn't fair for minorities for the last 200 years, some of it won't be fair for the some of majority now..at some point, I think fairness will take care of itself. But it's good in a way for you guys to see how minorities have felt for so long...it's not a good feeling, is it. Minorities feel the same about fairness as you guys..You just haven't open your minds to others, not just you're world..unfortunately as the majority, your world tends to close the door on minorities world..and that hurts economically.
 
MDFINFAN said:
That's the lie, they didn't have to give it to a minority, that's how it's spent to get you guys mad and let you know you didn't win it. A lot of times that minority firm is very capable and won it fair and square, but it's not told to the majority, because there's still a we're better than them mentality out there, and it's hard to accept that a minority may be better at something..This I know because some of my friends have told me that...now the sad thing here is see how you felt when she told you that...think about how that felt for so many years to minorities when they tried to appy for jobs, basically, hey you're wasting your time, you're not exactly the right canidate..and this still goes on, believe it or not..and before someone say, hey you can sue their butts for that...the minute you expose something like that, you get this type of thread...You can't even report racism because you're get, I'm tire of minorities crying racism when things don't go their way, and minorities are really tire of the majority crying reverse discrimination when things don't go theiir way. The majority have a 200 year head start, and while it's not prefect, how do ppl propose that some of the inequities of the pass be made up a little now...Affirmative action was put in place for that, but as it wasn't fair for minorities for the last 200 years, some of it won't be fair for the some of majority now..at some point, I think fairness will take care of itself. But it's good in a way for you guys to see how minorities have felt for so long...it's not a good feeling, is it. Minorities feel the same about fairness as you guys..You just haven't open your minds to others, not just you're world..unfortunately as the majority, your world tends to close the door on minorities world..and that hurts economically.
Click to expand...

That goes back to the main pont... we as a country cannot move forward when we are hold grudges from 50 years ago. The truth is there are different rules for different people and these rules are based on color and that is flat out racism. You can say that minorities are better than the majorities and thats why they get hired and im fine with that. But what about when they arent? I had a good GPA was very invloved in school and did good on my SATS and guess who got into the same school i applied with less credentials? Not A minorites but plenty of them because the University has to have a minimum requirent of minorites... now tell me is that fair? We are going backwards and not forward because we are basing decisions solely based on hertiage/color.
 
When you give equal weight based soley on race, that in it's self is racist! It is groups like this that are (and wanting to keep)keeping racism alive. I could give a rat's *** if the guy was an Iraqie(spelling) or a swede, I want the best man for the job. If that is a racist way of thinking, well I am in! Call me racist! This whole issue is a joke. Wayne wants to make money. The way to make the most of it, is by winning. The way to win is to hire the best available at whatever position it is you are seeking. If the Fins' are racist, then why are all their recievers',rbs',dbs' all black(african american) All the top paid are minorities.The org. would seek white players to fill a few of those pos, if they based their decisions on race. Heck, lets' demand that teams bring in at least 50% new prospects that are white to give an equal shot at making a roster. Crazy, the whole thought is absurd!

Why insult a minority of any race w/ a pity interview. When, if there is 1 or more highly sought after coaches that are deeply desired to fill the job and an org. can get them, they should be able to save their time and money along w/ that minority canidate's time that they choose to fill that quota, and get the man for the job. Next the Tenn. Volunteers womens bb coach could request an interview based on her sex. After all she is the most successful coach over the past # of years.(Just a point on sex, not real serious)
Next they will be demanding reperations b/c the white owners made money off a largely minority group of players. This is absurd, reperations are absurd, and until everybody drops race as an issue in any way shape or form, as a qualification or a quota racisim will pevail and hold us all back.
 
Lazy1 said:
That goes back to the main pont... we as a country cannot move forward when we are hold grudges from 50 years ago. The truth is there are different rules for different people and these rules are based on color and that is flat out racism. You can say that minorities are better than the majorities and thats why they get hired and im fine with that. But what about when they arent? I had a good GPA was very invloved in school and did good on my SATS and guess who got into the same school i applied with less credentials? Not A minorites but plenty of them because the University has to have a minimum requirent of minorites... now tell me is that fair? We are going backwards and not forward because we are basing decisions solely based on hertiage/color.
Click to expand...

That's just it, most ppl think affirm..action and all that is from 50 years ago..it still happens today..I know about life..I've had the same as you done to me. I had better grades and extra activities going for me, and the same thing as you. In my professional life the same, there were times I had way more credentials than the person who got the job..I didn't cry race, but it was kind of funny to see it happen a few times in my life, was it fair? Have the last 200 years been fair to minorities, to include, until now. not just 50 years ago. Only if you guys knew how minorities only want fairness and a fighting chance. Until we truely become color blind, there will be some mechanism to help fairness....I only see the klan, skinheads type groups on the hate scene...that should tell you something.
 
PHINZONER said:
When you give equal weight based soley on race, that in it's self is racist! It is groups like this that are (and wanting to keep)keeping racism alive. I could give a rat's *** if the guy was an Iraqie(spelling) or a swede, I want the best man for the job. If that is a racist way of thinking, well I am in! Call me racist! This whole issue is a joke. Wayne wants to make money. The way to make the most of it, is by winning. The way to win is to hire the best available at whatever position it is you are seeking. If the Fins' are racist, then why are all their recievers',rbs',dbs' all black(african american) All the top paid are minorities.The org. would seek white players to fill a few of those pos, if they based their decisions on race. Heck, lets' demand that teams bring in at least 50% new prospects that are white to give an equal shot at making a roster. Crazy, the whole thought is absurd!

Why insult a minority of any race w/ a pity interview. When, if there is 1 or more highly sought after coaches that are deeply desired to fill the job and an org. can get them, they should be able to save their time and money along w/ that minority canidate's time that they choose to fill that quota, and get the man for the job. Next the Tenn. Volunteers womens bb coach could request an interview based on her sex. After all she is the most successful coach over the past # of years.(Just a point on sex, not real serious)
Next they will be demanding reperations b/c the white owners made money off a largely minority group of players. This is absurd, reperations are absurd, and until everybody drops race as an issue in any way shape or form, as a qualification or a quota racisim will pevail and hold us all back.
Click to expand...


I think you point is valid, what the program tries to do is introduce owners to minorities that they might not otherwise get to know or know. Remember in your circles and if we're honest with outselves, more ppl hang around ppl of their same race, that's no different that NFL owners, so they don't know the minorities as well. Now that minorities might not be hire then, but he may have made an impression and that owner may pass his name to a friend or the next time a situation may come up, he may get a second look from that owner....i.e., what Miami is claiming with Muller. But if a minority never gets his foot in the door, how will his capabilities get known. You have to sometimes start small and hope to climb. A token interview today, may lead to a great opportunity tomorrow.
 
MDFINFAN said:
That's just it, most ppl think affirm..action and all that is from 50 years ago..it still happens today..I know about life..I've had the same as you done to me. I had better grades and extra activities going for me, and the same thing as you. In my professional life the same, there were times I had way more credentials than the person who got the job..I didn't cry race, but it was kind of funny to see it happen a few times in my life, was it fair? Have the last 200 years been fair to minorities, to include, until now. not just 50 years ago. Only if you guys knew how minorities only want fairness and a fighting chance. Until we truely become color blind, there will be some mechanism to help fairness....I only see the klan, skinheads type groups on the hate scene...that should tell you something.
Click to expand...
we are talking about now not 200 years ago...its chit like this that keeps racism alive.....

I want a owner of a business to interview me because of my intelligence not my skin color........
 
fishfan34 said:
:deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse
Click to expand...
clear.gif
 
I understand that. But in the same token, you look at the minority coaches that have been hired lately, and you know it is not from a race stand point, rather it is from doing and being part of something really great for a peroid of time. That shows that if a coach can maximize his players potential w/ the # of changes in todays game regardless of race, than he will eventually get that chance.Head Coaches do give those referrals to others for the progrees of those like Marvin and Romeo. Those two showed a knack for being able to adapt and still remain great on their side of the ball. You have to remember that a large # of white players do not excel at the level of their black counter-part, thus leaving the only viable option for those w/ a significant interest in staying w/ the game is to head into coaching much earlier than the ones that go on to play 10-15 years. Thus giving a larger # of white player/coaches that much more time to study the game as a whole. That is not to say that a black man is guarnteed anything more than a white man as far as success in the Nfl but it is a #s' game and they lean towards the blalcks as players and white as coaches. I hope I am getting my point across w/o a bunch of mumble???? Does this make sense to you?
 
PHINZONER said:
I understand that. But in the same token, you look at the minority coaches that have been hired lately, and you know it is not from a race stand point, rather it is from doing and being part of something really great for a peroid of time. That shows that if a coach can maximize his players potential w/ the # of changes in todays game regardless of race, than he will eventually get that chance.Head Coaches do give those referrals to others for the progrees of those like Marvin and Romeo. Those two showed a knack for being able to adapt and still remain great on their side of the ball. You have to remember that a large # of white players do not excel at the level of their black counter-part, thus leaving the only viable option for those w/ a significant interest in staying w/ the game is to head into coaching much earlier than the ones that go on to play 10-15 years. Thus giving a larger # of white player/coaches that much more time to study the game as a whole. That is not to say that a black man is guarnteed anything more than a white man as far as success in the Nfl but it is a #s' game and they lean towards the blalcks as players and white as coaches. I hope I am getting my point across w/o a bunch of mumble???? Does this make sense to you?
Click to expand...

I agree with basically everything you've been saying. All your points are valid IMO.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom