MERGED:Frerotte\the tides have turned

[callaway1234]

I have a question:

How many NFL teams give a starting QB ONLY one year to show what he can do?

Ie: Joey Harrington, Tim Rattay, Drew Brees (look how he turned out last year)...

 

[flintsilver7]

I have a question:

How many NFL teams give a starting QB ONLY one year to show what he can do?

Ie: Joey Harrington, Tim Rattay, Drew Brees (look how he turned out last year)...

Teams that wholeheartedly embrace cronyism certainly do.

''I don't think he's regressed,'' Linehan said of Frerotte. "I don't think he's playing as good as he would say he could play as far as statistical numbers and things like that. But the decisions he's making, how he's managing the game, have been exactly on par to where we want it.''

 

[dolfanmark]

Sorry, but you're comparing the wrong guy to Ryan Leaf. I'll continue to default to yards per attempt to identify the true story, one the Feeley apologists are remarkably blind to.

Ryan Leaf finished with a lifetime yards per attempt of 5.6 in the NFL. Feeley is slightly less incompetent, at a lifetime 5.8. Gus Frerotte is among the rare QBs who have a lifetime number above the arbitrary but very significant cutoff point of 7.0. Frerotte is at 7.1 yards per attempt over his career. That signifies he consistently looks to the deep ball first and completes a reasonable percentage of them.

This coaching staff is no doubt aware of the numbers I just pointed out, and their significance. The correct decision has been made.

In Philadelphia, Feeley averaged 7.3 yards per attempt. Yes, his YPA for us last year was awful. But, our entire offense was awful, so it's not a surprise.

Frerottes backups in Washington, Heath Shuler and Jeff Hostetler, both averaged over 6.0 YPA in the 3 years that Frerotte played the most. Frerotte also put very good YPA numbers in Detroit and Denver. But in those years, Charlie Batch and Brian Griese both had better YPA than Frerotte, with Griese's being a whopping 8.0 in 2000. It's pretty clear that the YPA stat is very dependent on the team's offensive strategy. Either that, or we're supposed to consider Batch, Shuler, Hostetler, Frerotte, and Griese as elite QB's. And for what it's worth, Griese's career YPA is 7.1, so I'm not sure that 7 is such a "magical" number. Heck, even Tim Rattay had a 6.7 YPA last year. In fact, last year, 19 QB's averaged at least 7 YPA.

 

[Oboy]

Sorry, but you're comparing the wrong guy to Ryan Leaf. I'll continue to default to yards per attempt to identify the true story, one the Feeley apologists are remarkably blind to.

Ryan Leaf finished with a lifetime yards per attempt of 5.6 in the NFL. Feeley is slightly less incompetent, at a lifetime 5.8. Gus Frerotte is among the rare QBs who have a lifetime number above the arbitrary but very significant cutoff point of 7.0. Frerotte is at 7.1 yards per attempt over his career. That signifies he consistently looks to the deep ball first and completes a reasonable percentage of them.

This coaching staff is no doubt aware of the numbers I just pointed out, and their significance. The correct decision has been made.

However, if you want to keep the Yards per attempt stat...
http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=93315
According to that thread, your boy Gus has a y/a of 5.19. Yeah, so much for 7.0!

Don't get me wrong, AJ's is not any better. Ironically also a 5.19 yd/att.

Both have thrown one TD and One INT. However, Gus has also lost 2 fumbles. One snap and one that was returned for a TD. Gus'es only TD was a self admitted "slip". He meant to throw to a different receiver.

Now, I am not saying AJ is the hero, but at least he has more upside. The more I watch Gus play the more I want AJ to start. Gus just has not shown me anything.

 

[BennyVW]

i CANT STAND THIS!!!
First everyone yells about feeley cause he forces throws, then in the last 2 games if he didn't have a good open receiver he would dump it off for a short gain.
Now you are yelling at him cause he didn't go for the easy pick??

NEWS FLASH!!!!- Every play is not meant to be a TD. Short passes lead to long passes, and long passes lead to short passes as the D adjusts. Just like the running game sets up the pass, or with linehan the pass sets up the run.

Pick a Point and stick to it!

 

[Dolfan81]

at least frerotte isnt scared to go down field. we cant win games by averaging 3 or 4 yrds a pass like feeley does. we have to be able to go deep and get in the endzone without wasting time. especially if were behind like we normally are.

 

[flintsilver7]

at least frerotte isnt scared to go down field. we cant win games by averaging 3 or 4 yrds a pass like feeley does. we have to be able to go deep and get in the endzone without wasting time. especially if were behind like we normally are.

Feeley and Frerotte are both averaging 5.19 yards per attempt. The problem is that Feeley has kept the offense on the field considerably longer, which has more benefits than quick three-and-outs.

You cannot honestly base Feeley's career YPA on last year. In this offense, Fiedler posted his career-worst YPA. He also does not average three or four yards a pass. Check the numbers again, and come back when you've brushed up.

 

[JJT]

Funny Saban must talk only to you since teh media has said repeatedly that Saban hasnt announced a decision. You go ignore his completion % as all Gusketeers seem to want. Love the hypocrisy keep it up.

Wow a whole 1.5 yds per better wow impressive and is so impressive that he is under 40% completion % as a starter. Drops is your next excuse. Yep he had some, but by Sabans own comments Gus contributed to many of teh so-called drops with bad passes. Go read transcript of press conf if you like it is there. He also yes points out receivers could have helped Gus as well, but he clearly says that the receivers arent all to blame for these drops. Timing? I agree not having timing can hurt accuracy, but 3 games as a starter you would think they would be getting closer, not further away, which in your analytical ability you profess, you would see that Gus had worse accuracy, timing was off by a wider margin in game 4 than in game 3 which is regression not progression. I am sure you have an excuse for that tho

Nope.. But the point that you fail to recognize there Einstien is that Feely looks just as bad. Anybody with an ounce of intuition holds thier breath every time Feely drops back to pass the ball, and rightfully so. Our QB situation is grim fellas theres no denying that, but come on if anyone really believes Feely is the answer they are in serious denial.....and probably not that intelligent either. I'm sorry to be so blunt fellas, but I am so sick of reading all this trash 2nd guessing our OC and head coach. These guys have forgotten more about footbal than any of us could ever hope to know. That is why they are where they are at, and we are here in this chatroom. Remember where you stand before you go passing judgment. We are in better hands than we have been for a long time, no matter who the coaches decide to start.:shakeno:

 

[Dolfan81]

im not sayin that u cant throw short passes at all but u cant just throw short passes. u have to have the skill to go deep so u can when the game is on the line

 

[flintsilver7]

Nope.. But the point that you fail to recognize there Einstien is that Feely looks just as bad. Anybody with an ounce of intuition holds thier breath every time Feely drops back to pass the ball, and rightfully so. Our QB situation is grim fellas theres no denying that, but come on if anyone really believes Feely is the answer they are in serious denial.....and probably not that intelligent either. I'm sorry to be so blunt fellas, but I am so sick of reading all this trash 2nd guessing our OC and head coach. These guys have forgotten more about footbal than any of us could ever hope to know. That is why they are where they are at, and we are here in this chatroom. Remember where you stand before you go passing judgment. We are in better hands than we have been for a long time, no matter who the coaches decide to start.:shakeno:

Feeley has been considerably better, with a passer rating almost 20 points better. That isn't "just as bad". His touchdown was not an accident, unlike Frerotte's; his interception wasn't all his fault, unlike Frerotte's.

When your head coach blames your receivers for a quarterback's badly underthrown or overthrown passes, that's inexcusable and it makes the organization look bad. I was all for Jim Bates when the coaching issue came up, and I'm all for him now. Bring him back. If Saban continues this buddy-buddy crap with Frerotte and Linehan, he doesn't belong here. Let him go back to his college sandbox.

 

[flintsilver7]

im not sayin that u cant throw short passes at all but u cant just throw short passes. u have to have the skill to go deep so u can when the game is on the line

You must be referring to New England and Cleveland last year, where Feeley failed to lead a fourth-quarter scoring drive with the game on the line.

Spot the error in the above sentence.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

at least frerotte isnt scared to go down field. we cant win games by averaging 3 or 4 yrds a pass like feeley does. we have to be able to go deep and get in the endzone without wasting time. especially if were behind like we normally are.

Exaclty..I watched the game and didnt think either QB played overly well... or poorly.... Frerotte still have a few dropped passes ..... especially from Chambers.

On the other hand.. AJ is efficient.. makes high percentage passes. i wish he would go downfield more.... after all isnt that what Linehan likes?

 

[flintsilver7]

Exaclty..I watched the game and didnt think either QB played overly well... or poorly.... Frerotte still have a few dropped passes ..... especially from Chambers.

On the other hand.. AJ is efficient.. makes high percentage passes. i wish he would go downfield more.... after all isnt that what Linehan likes?

You really have to love "Guskateer" logic. That is, if the quarterback throws the ball in the receiver's general direction, he is absolved from all responsbility if the receiver doesn't catch it. I mean, on one hand, Chris Chambers is entirely to blame for Frerotte's pathetic completion percentage. On ther other hand, he's the next Randy Moss and can really open up the offense. Which one is it?

Also, hasn't Feeley been throwing to Brick Hands Lee?

I think there's a little more to it than that. Believe it or not, there are many cases where a receiver can get his hands on a ball and be almost completely unable to catch it.

 

[DolfanCole]

Nope.. But the point that you fail to recognize there Einstien is that Feely looks just as bad. Anybody with an ounce of intuition holds thier breath every time Feely drops back to pass the ball, and rightfully so. Our QB situation is grim fellas theres no denying that, but come on if anyone really believes Feely is the answer they are in serious denial.....and probably not that intelligent either. I'm sorry to be so blunt fellas, but I am so sick of reading all this trash 2nd guessing our OC and head coach. These guys have forgotten more about footbal than any of us could ever hope to know. That is why they are where they are at, and we are here in this chatroom. Remember where you stand before you go passing judgment. We are in better hands than we have been for a long time, no matter who the coaches decide to start.:shakeno:

If we base it on last year, then maybe. But this year, he hasn't shown that tendency.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

You really have to love "Guskateer" logic. That is, if the quarterback throws the ball in the receiver's general direction, he is absolved from all responsbility if the receiver doesn't catch it. I mean, on one hand, Chris Chambers is entirely to blame for Frerotte's pathetic completion percentage. On ther other hand, he's the next Randy Moss and can really open up the offense. Which one is it?

Also, hasn't Feeley been throwing to Brick Hands Lee?

I think there's a little more to it than that. Believe it or not, there are many cases where a receiver can get his hands on a ball and be almost completely unable to catch it.

Yo brother.. i AM NOBDIES SEEKER MOFO.. AND I SERIOUSLY DESPISE THE COMMENT.

I am a best QB possible. All this is speculation.. Some want Feeley... some want GUS.. the only thing that matters to me is what the coaches want. And if you're smart enough to read between the lines you'll see that no QB has been given carte blanche...

As I remember correctly AJ gunned a pass to Diamond in the 4th quarter that they commented on during the game... Said AJ shouldve taken some pepper off it.. personally.. I think if you can touch it you can catch it.

Gus AND AJ are not starters. FACE THAT FACT. We;ve brought in a new offence... hmmm i wonder what will keep the defence more honest.. dumps.. or bombs.... Im not saying Feeley cant.... Im just saying lets see him do it.... Lets see him show some "presence" and throw the damn rock downfield... otherwise whats the point of having Chambers on the team.

Feeley 16 for 20 and less than 100 yds... yea thats going to win us games!