Merged: Lamar Gordon to Jacksonville?

[Kucha]

No one in their right mind (desperate or not)other than Spielman would give up a 3rd for a rb who's best year was 200+ yds. Gordon is just as proven as Toefield. Even their rookie from last year Greg Jones has 3 td's. That's 1 td more than Gordon had in his entire career. Why do you think Spielman is out of a GM job? I doubt he will ever get a GM job again.

I would rather give up a 5th for Morris before I give up a 5th for Gordon.Eddie George is still out there and he'd be a better pick-up than Gordon.

Hey, remember that Gordon is young (24 or 25) and is still regarded as having "potential." He's not some washed up Eddie George who can't contribute at a high level anymore. "Potential" got the Raiders a 2nd and 3rd round pick for P. Buchanan this year (from the Texans) when he has been inconsistent at best. Yea, giving up a third for him was a dumb move but shows that Spielman isn't the only dumb GM out there. All I'm saying is that one shouldn't discount the possibility although a 4th or 5th rounder would be more realistic.

 

[Justasportsfan]

Hey, remember that Gordon is young (24 or 25) and is still regarded as having "potential." He's not some washed up Eddie George who can't contribute at a high level anymore. "Potential" got the Raiders a 2nd and 3rd round pick for P. Buchanan this year (from the Texans) when he has been inconsistent at best. Yea, giving up a third for him was a dumb move but shows that Spielman isn't the only dumb GM out there. All I'm saying is that one shouldn't discount the possibility although a 4th or 5th rounder would be more realistic.

His potential is not worth a 3rd.
His potential hasn't done much in 3 yrs. His nos. aren't that far from what they already have at back up. Based on the situation they are in, they will need their 3rd pick next year.

Like I said, I would rather give up a 4th or 5th for Morris who is more proven than Gordon until Chris Brown is ready.

If Gordons potential was all that, Saban wouldn't draft a rb that high and take Harris in the later rds.

 

[BlueFin]

His potential is not worth a 3rd.
His potential hasn't done much in 3 yrs. His nos. aren't that far from what they already have at back up. Based on the situation they are in, they will need their 3rd pick next year.

Like I said, I would rather give up a 4th or 5th for Morris who is more proven than Gordon until Chris Brown is ready.

If Gordons potential was all that, Saban wouldn't draft a rb that high and take Harris in the later rds.

What has to be remembered is that JAX is a probable playoff team and that their 3rd rounder will be a late one, that certainly comes into play when teams are discussing trading picks.

Tennessee is a team that is down right now so their third rounder is a high third rounder.

 

[Justasportsfan]

What has to be remembered is that JAX is a probable playoff team and that their 3rd rounder will be a late one, that certainly comes into play when teams are discussing trading picks.

Tennessee is a team that is down right now so their third rounder is a high third rounder.

I agree completely which is why the bills took the titans offer over the Jags plus we might be battling it out w/ the jags for the wild card spot.

Gordon however, does not bring anything to the table that would be a guaranteed improvement over what they already have which is my point.

Sammy Morris is a more proven back and brings more as a ST player. He would have more value than Gordon.

 

[tucker]

i'd like to see greg jones get a shot at rb for Jax b/c that guy is freaking beast..he's gotta be pissed that they want him to be a fb

 

[duaneok66]

I agree completely which is why the bills took the titans offer over the Jags plus we might be battling it out w/ the jags for the wild card spot.

Gordon however, does not bring anything to the table that would be a guaranteed improvement over what they already have which is my point.

Sammy Morris is a more proven back and brings more as a ST player. He would have more value than Gordon.

not really . . . no one wants Morris . . .

 

[Justasportsfan]

not really . . . no one wants Morris . . .

Did I say anyone wanted him?

 

[CD13]

I agree completely which is why the bills took the titans offer over the Jags plus we might be battling it out w/ the jags for the wild card spot.

Gordon however, does not bring anything to the table that would be a guaranteed improvement over what they already have which is my point.

Sammy Morris is a more proven back and brings more as a ST player. He would have more value than Gordon.

I don't agree with you. I like Sammy, but we couldn't get any draft picks for him. He did fairly well last year, and I think he was better than to be expected, but Gordon has more value. I do agree he hasn't done much yet because of injuries, but I believe he has significant more talent than Morris as a RB. I think we should hold onto everyone -- we wouldn't have traded a 3rd round pick for Gordon with Williams here -- so we should wait, and see if someone loses a top RB, then offer the trade. A desperate team would give us more value.

 

[duaneok66]

Did I say anyone wanted him?

You said he had more value . . . if no one wants him, then he has no value . . .

 

[Justasportsfan]

You said he had more value . . . if no one wants him, then he has no value . . .

It was my opinion. Besides, the original post is nothing but a rumor that is being discussed.

 

[Golphindolphin]

"Jaguars | Staying Pat at Running Back
Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:06:59 -0700

Bart Hubbuch, of the Florida Times-Union, reports Jacksonville Jaguars senior vice president Paul Vance reiterated that the Jaguars likely would not pursue another running back as insurance for RB Fred Taylor, who didn't participate in offseason workouts because of knee surgery last January. "Jaguars head coach Jack Del Rio made it clear last week that he likes the people who are already here,'' Vance said."

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Sounds like damage control so they don't seem desperate for help after attempting the Henry trade.

 

[islandah]

I agree, you gave up a 3rd for Lamar.

Keep dreaming if the jags will be desperate enough to give you guys a 3rd . It's not like Taylor quit to smoke pot. They'll probably offer you a 3rd for RW but not Lamar.

I'd jump all over a 3rd for RW. Ship him and his 4 game suspension, contract nightmare, flakey, unreliable personality (or personalities) and unknown conditioning and passion for the game outta here and tell Saban what a genius he is for getting a 3rd out of the trash pile that everybody else thought was a lost cause!

 

[Eric-Honduras]

True, but if Ricky and Ronnie take command of the #1 and #2 spot, I wouldn't mind shipping Gordon to Jacksonville and get back a 3rd.

jax is not going to offer than better than a 5th at best...... Gordon hasnt done much since we got him.

 

[islandah]

Actually, the more I think about it, I would trade any of our rb's besides Brown for a 3rd.

(Not that anybody's offering)

 

[Kucha]

His potential is not worth a 3rd.
His potential hasn't done much in 3 yrs. His nos. aren't that far from what they already have at back up. Based on the situation they are in, they will need their 3rd pick next year.

Like I said, I would rather give up a 4th or 5th for Morris who is more proven than Gordon until Chris Brown is ready.

If Gordons potential was all that, Saban wouldn't draft a rb that high and take Harris in the later rds.

Ok true and you make sense but look at it from another perspective....he was drafted in the third by the Rams if I remember right. So that makes it two organizations who once thought he was worth a third. Granted, Speilman may have given up a sixth for my 89 y.o. grandmother if he thought she could kick field goals...but let's not go there. :goof:

I agree with you that he's not worth it, but there will be desperate teams out there if they lose important RB's to injury come training camp. All I'm saying is that you should never discount the possibility of human stupidity. hehehe.

Edit: And one other thing. Saban seems to be pretty good at creating hype when there isn't any or deflating it when there should be more. Who knows if this talk about L. Gordon being our opening day RB is more hype to hype up his underhyped trade value?