Merged: Manning to Meet With Miami Coach Joe Philbin

[electrolyte]

Honestly, going forward, Philbin should be the only guy the Dolphins send out to talk with other football guys, because its obvious Ross and Ireland don't have the tact to speak with other football people. I am glad Philbin is the man being presented as the face of the Dolphins to Manning.

Of course.

This is the same guy who asked a top nationwide talent, "Is your mother a prostitute"

Shameful.

 

[JERSEYFINFAN23]

He wants to see what he is getting with the HC not the Ross - Ireland show

 

[ohall]

Just because he is not going to the facility or meeting with anyone but the HC doesn't mean the Dolphins are not as favored as the other teams. Manning isn't going to waste his time by walking around the Dolphins facility, because he's been there and done that, a couple of times in fact.

IMO he knows what the Dolphins are offering as far as $ (for weeks now probably) and he knows what they are able to do as far as FA and the draft. He is a prepared guy, remember? I don't think it's unfair to say, if Manning is our QB he has to put a stamp on every major move the Dolphins make as a franchise. In short, the Dolphins know he will be calling the shots the moment he signs on the dotted line.

One thing a lot of you seem to forget, this is 2012. People have high leveled meetings, business, government etc via conference video calls. You have to look at it this way, from Mannings POV. If he was to show up at the Dolphins facility today, ARZ and DEN would lose a lot of the leverage he wants to apply to the Dolphins. He and his agent are not going to do that. There is a lot of money on the line. He would be an idiot to just 2-5 million dollars on table because has a lot of money already.

 

[The Omen]

Manning is really going to leave a few teams holding the bag if he doesn't sign with them.

Miami - the chance we lose out on Flynn (thats if we are interested)
AZ - having to Pay Kolb the 7Mil

So did KC and Seattle get cut from the Manning race because those teams said forget it or did Manning say no because they didn't show as much interest as the other teams?

I really don't understand why he would add a 4th team to the mix if he really was down to Denver and AZ as his favs and Miami being what looks to be his back up plan.

 

[zackmandude63]

Probably because Peyton looking for straight talk, not wine and dine. Only Philbin can answer detailed questions about team infrastructure. All coaches that report to Philben will implement his philosphy. Peyton wants to know how will you protect me from the next concussion.

philbin should bring along big jake!

 

[ohall]

No. They can't let this go past the start of free agency. Joe needs to get a commitment or tell him no thanks.

I've been thinking about it. I can see this going to maybe Wed or Thurs and we won't lose out on Flynn. All the reports I've heard is Flynn is willing to wait for the Manning thing to be settled. If that's not true, and I think the Dolphins because of Philbin will know the truth. As far as the teams that are going to go after Flynn, without a doubt Miami has the inside track.

For me though, if Manning doesn't know some time late on Wed I'd have to move on.

 

[fish920]

Hell im glad its just philbin meeting him. His dimeanor is impressive so far and seems like he could be pretty persuasive

 

[SabanHater]

if anyone can convince him, I believe it's Joe. I was so impressed with his introductory interview. He made me a believer, and I feel like Manning will will be very surprised by this guy. I feel like this is very positive news. No need to meet with Ross and Ireland when this is the guy you will be playing for.

 

[Nick13]

I dont these are simply polite visits. There would have to be genuine interest at some level, otherwise, why not pay a polite visit to KC or Seattle? As stated previously, Manning is familiar with the Dolphins facility, and I think he wants the opportunity to step away from the circus of these visits and sit down and talk shop. I think it comes down to Denver or Miami. Denver was a playoff team last year, and therefore is closest to taking the 'next step' and becoming a Super Bowl challening team. Miami has the most attractive pieces in place, a very good defense, a true number one WR (Marshall), a great slot receiver (Bess), a dependable and versatile running game (Bush, Thomas), and a blue chip LT (Long). I think the main questions Manning will have for Philbin will be in regard to offensive philosophy, freedom to audible, LoS calls, etc...

Don't read too much into the dressed down visit, as much as it could look like a courtesy meeting, it can equally look like there are only minor details that need discussing.

As for Matt Flynn...it makes little sense for him to sign until Manning does, unless someone (Cleveland) grossly overpays for him, in which case, they can have him. Whoever misses out on Manning, namely Miami, Seattle, KC and Cleveland (possibly AZ or Denver as well, but they have clearer options at QB) will be in a bidding war for his services. Also, this timeline would make sense for Miami if they had no desire to pursue Flynn in the first place (a distinct possibility). Miami has cap space, but it is limited and we have needs on both sides of the ball. Flynn is still an unproven commodity, and we DO have Matt Moore who played decent. It doesnt make a ton of sense at this point to sink a bunch of cash into Flynn when the money could be spent elsewhere. I'm not saying we shouldnt invest in a QB, just that we shouldnt invest in a QB at the expense of all other positions.

 

[Predaphin]

I see this as bad news, shows he doesn't want to get too close to the organization.

Are you kidding me??? Its quite the opposite, its great news....I don't want Ross or Ireland anywhere near this meeting

 

[hooserdaddy]

I want Manning but I think the dolphins should tell him politely to f off if he's not going to give us the same opportunity as Denver and cards. Lets be real an say what this is and Peyton is not going to make a decision with out talking shop.with Ireland and Ross. It seems to me were out of the running and he's just meeting philbin as a courtesy because we were promised an oppty to talk to him. w cant let Manning drag his feet and we miss on our second choice if Matt Flynn is plan b.

 

[Predaphin]

This doesn't bode well for the Cardinals but I think these are just courtesy visits to tell both teams, "Thanks but no thanks. Please quit calling."

I'm not buying into the so called "courtesy" or "pitty" visits....if this were the case, why didnt he give pitty visits to KC, Washington or Seattle? He simply told them "No thanks, please quit calling" and the Redskins actually did.

 

[ohall]

I want Manning but I think the dolphins should tell him politely to f off if he's not going to give us the same opportunity as Denver and cards. Lets be real an say what this is and Peyton is not going to make a decision with out talking shop.with Ireland and Ross. It seems to me were out of the running and he's just meeting philbin as a courtesy because we were promised an oppty to talk to him. w cant let Manning drag his feet and we miss on our second choice if Matt Flynn is plan b.

What exactly did DEN and ARZ get over us if Manning sits down with Philbin and Sherman? He knows our facility, why does he need to know what the new color is for the bathroom?

He spent the far majority of his time in ARZ and DEN talking football with the football ppl. Do you honestly think someone like Manning gives a crap about which player shows up to visit him or where the parking lot is located??

FYI he did those things to apply leverage on the Phins, nothing more. Hopefully the Dolphins won't fold and give him every damn thing he wants. I want Manning, but there has to be limits IMO.

 

[natesdad]

Maybe Philbin can put together another presentation like the one that got him the HC job with the Phins.

 

[Predaphin]

philbin should bring along big jake!

Great idea, just in case Manning refuses to sign Jake will stand in front of the door jk lol