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Pressure on Quinn to rise

Holdout could keep him out all season, then lead to trade in 2008

By Patrick McManamon

Beacon Journal sportswriter

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Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn throws a pass at football mini-camp, Friday, May 4, 2007, in Berea, Ohio.
While Browns rookies practice in Berea this week, quarterback Brady Quinn sits and waits.
Quinn's holdout is only a couple of days long, but it has drawn notice around the league. And if one league insider had his way, Quinn would wait a long, long time if his contract demands are way out of line with the spot in which he was drafted.
Quinn ``doesn't have much (leverage) right now,'' said the insider, who has been involved in contract deals with several big-name players over the years. ``If the Browns are smart, they wouldn't do anything extra special.
``They could always just play the other two quarterbacks, let Quinn go back in the draft, or trade him next year.''
The last thing the Browns want is for Quinn to miss the season because he doesn't sign, but his short holdout has all the appearances of developing into a long one.
Quinn was the free-fall story of draft day, lasting until the Browns traded up out of the second round to draft him with the 22nd pick. He and the Browns talked early about a deal, and his agent, Tom Condon, was in Cleveland over the weekend to talk, but the two sides seem far apart.
Various reports have the Quinn side expecting better than 22nd-pick money, the reasoning being that teams had Quinn rated in the draft's top 10. The Browns always have been careful to say they rated Quinn 22nd, meaning they intend to pay him like the 22nd pick.
Which is where the insider's point of view comes in.
The Browns own the rights to Quinn for one year. If they cannot sign him, he sits out his rookie season and can be drafted in 2008.
In the harshest and worst case of scenarios, the Browns could let Quinn sit, then trade him prior to the 2008 draft and perhaps recoup the first-round draft pick they gave up to get him.
Sitting out clearly would be to Quinn's detriment. And he would be sitting out from the team he has said he grew up dreaming of playing for.
``It could be really hard for him to live with that pressure,'' the insider said.
Some feel the annual draft-pick negotiation game of cat-and-mouse could have been avoided had the Browns phoned Condon on draft day and said they were going to save Quinn from his free fall, but before they would do it they wanted the parameters of a deal in place.
``Five minutes,'' one insider said when asked how long that discussion would have taken. ``They had it in their hands.''
Past QB holdouts
Matt Leinart held out from Arizona last season and had a good rookie season. Heath Shuler held out from Washington after being taken third overall in 1994 and never succeeded. Same with Cade McNown in 1999 in Chicago.
The common thread: All were quarterback clients of Condon, who got Tim Couch signed in Cleveland before he was drafted.
Negotiations have been slow league-wide, and things have not developed quickly with any of the Browns' top three picks: tackle Joe Thomas, Quinn and cornerback Eric Wright.
Thomas could earn $25 million in guaranteed money. Wright is caught in an unusual logjam of second-round players who have not signed.
Quinn, the quarterback from Notre Dame, is the marquee player, and he seems to understand that reality. He now runs the risk, however, of burning some of the goodwill generated when the Browns drafted him.
Autograph signing
News that he was signing autographs for $75 at a North Olmsted mall over the weekend -- first reported by WEWS (Channel 5) -- has been noticed around the league.
``He's more interested in signing autographs for $75 than coming in and playing?'' an insider said. ``He's not looking at the big picture. He could get in and play, and if he does well, the money will come.''
WKYC (Channel 3) quoted Quinn saying he didn't know that money was being charged. That may be true, but people paid, and he signed.
Now Quinn may hold out longer, which means he'll miss valuable training-camp time and valuable time to get himself into the mix for the starting job.
General Manager Phil Savage even conceded that if Quinn wants to be ``in the mix,'' he should be in camp.
Holding out ``is just not worth it,'' said the insider, who suggested the Browns let Quinn miss the season. ``Even if he gets 10 percent more than last year's guy, even if he gets 20 percent more, the mountain that he's created is exponentially more steep. Particularly with his hometown team.
``Who loses in this? The Cleveland fans and (coach) Romeo (Crennel). He has to deal with things on the field.''
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I doubt that happens. It wouldn't be a very good scenario for Quinn or the Browns. It may take a while but I think they'll get a deal done.
 
I will bet EVERY dollar I have ever made in my life and EVERY dollar I will make that somewhere along the way..Quinn signs with the Browns...holdout for a little maybe..but of course the deal WILL be done.
 
The Browns will sign Quinn, no doubt about it. Remember when PFT suggested Ronnie would re-enter the draft:

POSTED 10:12 a.m. EDT, August 7, 2005
FINS DON'T WANT TO PAY BROWN LIKE NO. 2​

The top five spots in the draft are getting too damn complicated. Last year, No. 4 wanted to be paid like No. 1, but was paid like No. 2. So this year's No. 4 wants to be paid like No. 2, and the team that drafted No. 2 doesn't want to pay the guy at No. 2 like No. 2, which will make it harder for No. 3 to get paid like No. 3.​

Confused? We sure the hell are.​

Word is that a big part of the impasse between the Dolphins and running back Ronnie Brown, the second overall selection in the draft, is that the team doesn't want to invest the kind of money in Brown that being the No. 2 overall pick typically entails.​

Conventional wisdom is that the agents for No. 3 pick Braylon Edwards, Lamont Smith and Peter Schaffer, are waiting for Brown and the Fins to work out a contract before reaching a deal with the Browns. The danger in delaying, however, is that if the Fins cram a below-position deal down Todd France's throat for Brown, the Browns will have a reasonable basis for putting the squeeze on Edwards.​

Behind both of them is running back Cedric Benson, whose agent is trying to parlay last year's trade of No. 4 overall pick Philip Rivers to the team with the No. 1 pick into the kind of deal that Rivers was able to muster from the four hole.​

The whole thing makes us even more convinced that compensation for rookies taken in round one needs to be specific -- and it needs to be reduced. From the Dolphins' perspective, the prospect of paying a $20 million signing bonus to an unproven tailback makes little sense, given that the market for half backs is way, way down right now, with the high-end guys getting five-year deals in the range of $25 million for the total package.​

In hindsight, the folks in Miami are probably realizing that they could have had Edgerrin James or Shaun Alexander for far less money -- and for as low as a third-round draft pick in trade.​

And if quarterbacks taken in the round one can claim that they should get more than the slot otherwise would indicate because of the position they play, the depressed running back market should in turn drive down the price paid for first-round tailbacks.​

The irony here is that teams like the Fins, Bears, and Bucs paid little or no attention to the boatload of backs available in free agency because they knew that they could address their needs in round one of the draft. The problem, as Miami and Chicago are now learning, is that the financial commitment for a tailback taken in the top five is too great, especially for guys who has proven nothing in the NFL.​

The fact that this year's crop of blue chippers wasn't nearly as strong as in past years serves further to highlight the problem of paying guys millions based merely on draft order. Though it's easy to argue that the Fins shouldn't have drafted Brown, who else were they going to select? As the Nicktator noted prior to the draft, there were no Julius Peppers in this pool, no freaks of nature who commanded to be taken high. So the depth chart controlled and, as of April, Miami's greatest need was at tailback.​

Although the Dolphins might now be tempted to not sign Brown at all and let him re-enter the draft next year, especially since Ricky Williams is back and looking as good as ever, the stigma of letting a top-five pick go because of the money he wanted would be too great. It would have been far better, in our opinion, for Miami to consciously and deliberately allow the 15-minute selection period on draft day to expire, waiting until a couple of the high-end running backs were gone before jumping on the one that was left over.​

Given that the Bears would have still taken Benson and the Bucs likely would have went with Williams, Miami could have fallen out of the top five and still gotten the guy they took at No. 2.​

And they could have signed him for a lot less money.​
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All while Quinn stated "It's not about the money" twice in the draft when asked about how he thinks this will effect his contract. He's nothing more than the next joey harrington.
 
I read on a Browns msg board that the autograph signing money went to charity. Not sure if it's true.
 
RunGinnRunTD said:
All while Quinn stated "It's not about the money" twice in the draft when asked about how he thinks this will effect his contract. He's nothing more than the next joey harrington.
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Harrington will have a better career than Quinn. Quinn is the next Heath Shuler
 
WOn't happen. Quinn will be playing by midseason as well. Watch and see.

The HAVE to justifty giving up that 1st round pick next year
 
Charlie Frye was a 2nd rounder and I think he'll come into his own this year. I think the best move we made this year was passing on Quinn, even though the fans were screaming to get him. My view of Mueller's abilities was greatly increased after that
 
adamprez2003 said:
Charlie Frye was a 2nd rounder and I think he'll come into his own this year. I think the best move we made this year was passing on Quinn, even though the fans were screaming to get him. My view of Mueller's abilities was greatly increased after that
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Frye was a 3rd round pick in the 05' draft.

Why are you so down on Quinn?
 
Can't say I'm surprised at all. A generally consensus top five player pre-draft falls all the way to the bottom of the first round for seemingly no real reason. Of course he is going to want more money than your typical 22nd pick. I'm not so sure this issue gets resolved anytime soon. I would be surprised if he re-enters the draft, but right now I could see him holding out for the majority of the season and eventually getting traded. He says playing for the Browns is his lifelong dream, but I'd be willing to bet he'd rather be rich somewhere else then get paid like the 22nd pick in Cleveland.
 
Smoke said:
Frye was a 3rd round pick in the 05' draft.

Why are you so down on Quinn?
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I think his game falls apart to easily when under pressure. If he played for Arizona State instead of Notre Dame he never wouldve been hyped as much. I think alot of people think that because he played for Charlie Weiss he's automatically going to be a QB guru but I think he simply doesnt have the stuff, mental or physical, to succeed on the next level
 
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