Merged X12: Ongoing Henne vs. Sanchez Debate...

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  1. DaBills4life

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    I like Sanchez, but right now he pretty much is along for the ride, if you know what I mean. Sanchez had everything you can ask for as a QB, and he never took control of the offense.

    I need to see that 1st. He isnt getting smacked in the face on a 3 step drop like Fitzpatrick. He had a nice pocket, top TE, top WR's, top running game. All Sanchez has to worry about is making the right read and putting the ball on time to a spot.
     
  2. nyjunc

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    He is the leader of an offense and a team that had made back to back title games. The O isn't great and he hasn't been great(he may never be) but he has helped our team win a ton of games and become one of the best teams in the league. Fitz puts up nice #s playing for a team w/ no chance(no offense), Buf lost a ton of close games, the Jets won a ton of close games and QB play had a lot to do w/ that.
     
  3. DaBills4life

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    Its not really between teams its between QB's. To say Sanchez is good because he went to title games, its really pointless.

    Are you saying the Jets would be worse if Fitzpatrick was the Jets QB? I dont think so. IMO they would be better.

    The big thing with Sanchez is his ceiling is very high, Fitz is pretty maxed out.
     
  4. lf911sc

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    Yeah, outside of those pesky 5 comeback wins last season and the 4 road playoff wins in his two NFL seasons, the guy has done nothing. :rolleyes:
     
  5. nyjunc

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    yes I think we'd be woprse w/ Fitz. fitz has never played on a contender or played a single down in a big game. he gets to play w/ no pressure to win, switch the QBs and the Jets don't make the title game while Buf wins more than 4 games last year.
     
  6. BuffaloSoldier2

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    Haha. Sanchez is awful and plays behind the best o line in the NFL, has a really good defense, and has a ton of weapons. Fitz is easily the 2nd best QB in the division and will prove it this year.

    If the Bills had Sanchez, they would have had the 1st pick in the draft. He sucks and is lucky he is on a good team. Henne is probably better than Sanchez.
     
  7. nyjunc

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    I love the Fitz stuff, the man has never played in a meaningful game in his life while Sanchez has helped the Jets win 4 road playoff games. get back to me when Fitz has some pressure to win games and when he makes plays to win games rather than putting up garbage time #s every week to fool the common fan.
     
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    Question for you guys. Is Aaron Rodgers entering his 4th year or 7th year in the league? I don't know any packers fans or even NFL fans that claim he is entering his 4th year. Get it straight folks, Henne is entering his 4th year, not 3rd. Just accept it.
     
  9. JETSJETSJETS

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    David, Henne just completed his first rookie game. What are you smoking? Stick with the game!
     
  10. FrankP

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    Sanchez vs. Henne

    Say what you want about Sanchez vs. Henne. But today, 17-16 - Henne needs 10-15 yards to go get his team in a position for a win and he chokes.

    This afternoon, behing 31-17 with a nose broken, 6 minutes left, Sanchez delivers again in the clutch and get this team back in the game.

    THAT is what's missing in the comparaison for Henne... he has to have a couple of those games where he puts it on his shoulders...
     
  11. DisturbedShifty

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    Too bad the Jets lost too.
     
  12. Dimitri_0515

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    Agreed. The W is the most important part.
     
  13. The Confessor

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    ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!

    AND, for the coup degrais, Snatcho dropped his knee on the 2 yard line on 4th and Goal..... I WILL say it. Snatcho is a very mediocre QB with an INT problem.
     
  14. Dimitri_0515

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    4-2 in the playoffs says otherwise. To your 0 wins and appearances for your QB :rolleyes:
     
  15. The Confessor

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    AND, if you switch the 2 QB's, I venture to say, you're still 4-2 in the playoffs, and Dirty Snatcho is already out of the league . :rolleyes:
     
  16. Dimitri_0515

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    Ok... whatever you say skippy. You're right, Sanchez can't play in this league
     
  17. The Confessor

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    Dont call me skippy ***wipe.

    You're correct, he can't play in this league...at least not very good.

    He's a VERY mediocre QB on a run-first team. Now that he doenst have Mangold in front of him, he will be exposed often. IF god-forbid, Greene ever go down, you wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell
     
  18. Dimitri_0515

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    So Skippy, obviously you don't watch that much football. Jets run game has been abysmal the past 3 games and the game has relied on Sanchez.
     
  19. Sirspud

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    If the game was won by completing passes, Chad Henne would win. But the game is won by scoring points, and last I checked Mark Sanchez didn't lead the NFL's second lowest scoring offense last year.
     
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    Too bad your 0-3, just lost to the Browns, and you play the Chargers next week....
     
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    Can he call you slappy then? Henne is exposed when he gets in the redzone, he cant close the deal.
     
  22. Jetsfan0099

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    This again....

    Sanchez- 886 yards 63% 7.98 YPA 6 TD 4 INTs 90 QB rating

    Henne-841 yards 56% 7.79 4 TD 3 INTs 82 QB rating

    And our run game and OL has been awful this year.
     
  23. truthbtold

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    Sorry Dolphin fans but it's really no debate at all.
    Sanchez gets it done when it counts.
    Henne gets it done in the preseason.

    We have the better QB.
    At least you have the better cheerleaders.
     
  24. Kinzua

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    What's the point of boasting about how much better Sanchez is than Henne? :ponder:

    Isn't that like debating which MLB team is better, the Pirates or the Orioles? Then again Sanchize is clearly not in the same league as Brady or Fitzpatrick. :D
     
  25. Dimitri_0515

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    Oh you Bills fans
     
  26. JETSJETSJETS

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    Are u putting Brady and Fitzpatrick in the same league? At least for a change, Bills are a little more competitive. Didn't we beat up on you guys twice last year? Including once against ur All World QB?

    Im happy that u guys beat the Patriots though. Congrats!
     
  27. BuffaloSoldier2

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    Last year, Amy Winehouse was smoking crack. How's she doing this year? Things change son.

    And thanks for the classy responses. It was an awful and pathetic losing streak. So close so many times and we couldn't just get over that hump. It's be great to see the Pats fall back in the pack for once.
     
  28. Ilovemyfins4eva

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    ya, that streak to the pats should have ended 4 games earlier when leodis mckelvin decided to take the ball out of the endzone and fumble it.
     
  29. Kinzua

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    No. Brady is in a class by himself. Maybe Peyton's there with him, but nobody else. That said, it's pretty clear that Fitz is next best in the AFCE, leaving Sanchez and Henne fight over the scraps. That's not what you want your supposed franchise QB to be doing.

    Ever hear the Springsteen song, Glory Days? Well, that's what a lot of Jets fans sound like this season: they're living on memories. It's like Fin fans basking in their perfect season or Bills fans bringing up their 4 Super Bowl appearances or even Pats fans boasting about their Super Bowl wins. None of those accomplishments are relevant to this season. Supposedly, the Jets were going to trample Oakland because they whooped 'em in 2009 by 35 points. WRONG.
     
  30. Fuerue

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    It is literally adorable seeing Bills fans bantering again. However, after the inevitable collapse, the Bills will be, once again, looking up at the Jets and the Patriots in the division by years end. It was a great win, and it couldn't have happened to a better team. But, let's be realistic. The Bills are still 1 or 2 years away from being a solid contender for the division. They are on the right path though. Gailey is killing it.

    As for Henne and Sanchez, I thought this was put to bed forever ago. Neither one is or will be a great QB. Sanchez is a good leader and a decent cluth player. He will be a serviceable quarterback for a long long time, but to say he will be great one day, stranger things have happened, and if he wins enough, it could be considered great, but I wouldn't count on it. As far as Henne goes, he is a very very good backup. He can play backup to any QB in the league, but he is not starter material. He has proved it in so many ways.
     
  31. nyjunc

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    I think it is clear throuhg 3 games but 3 games doesn't make a season or a career. I want to wait to see Fitz a)face a touhg D and B) play in a true big game. if he can keep this up and lead the Bills into january I'll move him ahead of Mark.

    Glory days? We are talking the most recent history here, we aren't talking about 20-30-40 years ago. 3-0 starts are great but it's a long season, we'll see where you are in Nov/dec.
     
  32. JETSJETSJETS

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    How is it pretty clear? Cuz Buffalo went 3-0? How many times are u guys going to pick off Brady 4 times in one game? How many times will ur offense score a TD on every possession after the half? How many times do u get to face KC defense? So far, Fitz has faced two below average Ds, and one avg D, just like the Jets. One common opponent is Oakland, and both QBs scored 3 TDs and one pick each. Difference in that game was that Fitz had a great second half while Sanchez' OL couldn't protect him in 2nd half. He still made plays running out of the pocket, but 9 sacks against 1 sack is pretty obvious. I wouldn't be too quick to anoint him the "pretty clear" winner just yet. Fitz does have the edge, but we are barely done with wk 3.
     
  33. The Confessor

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    So, I dont see any recent updates from the Jest trolls here?

    As I stated, Snatcho is a VERY mediocre QB that was put in an ideal situation, surrounded by an incredible Front line, a running game and a great defense. Put the game on him, and his true mediocracy shows up. He is NOT a better QB than Henne, nor is he worse. They are both in the bottom 10 of QB's I would chose to win a title.
     
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    Sanchez is terrible

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  35. nyjunc

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    at no point did we have an incredible front line, our Ol has been very good but far from incredible. mark has had one bad game(as awful as it was), his 3 other games were decent. He and the Jets O will be fine.

    I heard all offseason how Miami had talent comparable to the Jets, how come Henne can't win? I heard this about Miami the last 2 years as well, how come you couldn't compete for a playoff spot? don't compare our QB having a terrible game w/ the terrible career Henne is having.
     
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    Whatever. It has been welled documented that, especially the last 2 seasons, you had one of the top 3 O-lines in the league. Last night you saw what happens when Snatcho doesnt have that in front of him.
    The fact that your FO has spent everything for win it right now dictates that you have ZERO depth anywhere on the field, and last night you saw what that means, plugging UDFA into very important spots.....get used to it.
    You're FO has spent future draft picks and maxed out the salary cap to bring in big name, controversial players and now its time to pay the piper. You have played exactly 2 formidable defenses so far this year, and the first one was let down by incredibly bad turn of events. You should be 1-3.

    You didnt hear from me that Miami would compete. Not this year.

    My point is, Snatcho is no better than Henne. There are 25 QB's in the league that could surplant either, and I suggest that in Snatcho's place, 20 that might win you a title......
     
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    There's a huge difference btw top 3 and an Ol as bad as we saw last night. No QB could have survived playing behind that OL.

    We are comfortably under the cap and have drafted well for years outside of a pick here and there.

    You can't have depth everywhere, we have lost some key guys to injury the last couple of years and had guys step up but it's hard to replace a Nick Mangold.

    We should be 2-2, we could be 1-3 or 3-1.

    sanchez is much better than henne evn though they both are struggling this year.
     
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    Is Sanchez better than Henne? I don't know. Neither one is that great, and I haven't seen much of the Dolphins in the regular season. However, from what I've seen of Sanchez, he bears a striking resemblance to Trent Edwards, except that he's not afraid to throw downfield and he doesn't hold on to the ball quite as long. Even Sanchez' career path seems to follow Edwards': he started out as an excellent rookie; looked to be progressing as a second year pro but didn't do as well as expected; and then just sucked as a third year player. Maybe that's because NFL DCs built up a "book" on both of them so they know how to defense them -- and they aren't good enough to do anything about it.

    Miraculously, when Gailey benched Edwards for Fitzpatrick, not only did the Bills OL "improve" but the entire offense did. Same guys, but a whole lot more production with Fitz under center.

    Sorry, but Sanchez doesn't get a pass because of his allegedly poor OL. His own poor play is contributing to it.
     
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    Some of this is accurate, except, Snatcho was NOT an "Excellent Rookie".

    The major media outlets all have a MAJOR hard-on for Dirty Snatcho and portray him as something he's NOT.

    His rookie season, when all he really had to do was hand-off and make very rudimentary reads and throws, he had exactly 12 TD's against 21 INT's.

    As I noticed on a Jest board, Snatcho doesnt have that IT factor, but he does indeed have the INT factor.
     
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    You are MAXED on your salary, which is why you have some bum playing center right now.

    You gave up your entire draft for Snatcho and Greene. That is NOT a good draft.
    D-brick is a pretty good pick, not anywhere in Jake Long's league, but pretty good.
    Mangold is gold. No doubt about that.
    Love that Vernon Ghoulston pick.
    Nugent?
    Hell the only real legit pick you've had not named Revis or Mangold, got axed just prior to this season.
     

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