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Miami Dolphins Owner Stephen Ross Was Right About Chris Grier — and Brian Flores Was Wrong

Imo Flores is really good at coaching too bad he was bad at the other parts like putting together a good staff and treating people with decency.
Not sure if I agree that Flores was "really good" at coaching. A good coach would work with the players he has and bring out the best. Definitely not. He had very good talent on defense: Holland, Jones, X, Wilkins, Ogbah, Baker. Did he really make our defense better? The defense looked great against average to poor teams. Looking back and knowing more about him, I like him less. During the first 2 years I was a strong supporter of Flores.
 
By Adam H. Beasley

MIAMI GARDENS, Fla. — Here at the Miami Dolphins’ marvelous training facility, the offices of the organization’s two most important football people — head coach Mike McDaniel and general manager Chris Grier — share a wall.

The close proximity means one man can barely send a text message without the other hearing.

“I’m sure he’s getting pretty sick of hearing late 90s, early 2000s rap, but he’s gonna have to deal with it,” McDaniel said Wednesday. “We take pride in that we’ve been fortunate enough to be in the NFL for a good amount of time, each of us collectively, and we realize how important it is to the entire organization, that the organization’s depending on us to be working together in a forthright manner. So, we do not take that lightly.”


The Right Man Won the Miami Dolphins’ Power Struggle

This time last year, there wasn’t such harmony between the Dolphins’ top scout and their head coach. The relationship between Grier and Brian Flores — McDaniel’s predecessor — had deteriorated over their three years together.

To say there was friction between the two men, largely due to Flores’ pugilistic behavior, is putting it kindly. There was a wall between the two — not just literally, but figuratively. And by the end, it was clear to owner Stephen Ross that one needed to go.

He ultimately picked Grier over Flores — even though the Dolphins had winning records in both 2020 and 2021. The decision was ripped at the time and triggered a racial discrimination lawsuit against the Dolphins and the NFL that is still ongoing.

But by any fair assessment, Ross did the right — and necessary — thing. The Dolphins are better off with McDaniel and Grier running things.

The culture is better. The quarterback — Tua Tagovailoa, the guy that Flores repeatedly tried to replace — is much better. The Dolphins are halfway to their first playoff appearance since 2016, and after trading for Bradley Chubb Tuesday, are positioned to make some noise.



It turns out the players, or at least many of them, were not the issue in 2021. And credit Ross for realizing that — and acting accordingly.

“Coming in here on paper, I was intrigued, because, you know, to start 1-7 and to win football games is a tough task for a locker room,” McDaniel said, referring to the Dolphins’ terrible start to the 2021 season. “You see a lot of locker rooms divide and then implode.

“And then it started to make sense when I got here,” he continued. “There’s very talented players across the roster. But more than anything, you have these good human beings that have the right intent, and that are focused on above all things else, winning. And that is unique.”

“So I think a ton of credit should go to Chris and his staff because there’s a lot of quality players and people and it gets lost in all the mix,” McDaniel added. “But that’s what ends up winning in this league, people coming together as a team. So it’s been awesome. And that was just more of the same from my experience with him yesterday.”

Brian Flores Didn’t Know How Good He Had It With Chris Grier

This isn’t to say Grier has been perfect. He’s had well-documented, costly misses in the draft and free agency. But every meaningful move that has been made since he took over football ops in 2019 has come with his head coach’s consent — if not at that coach’s behest.

He sees his job as doing whatever he can to acquire the players that the head coach believes he needs to win. And the Dolphins’ two blockbuster trades this year — for Tyreek Hill in March and Chubb in November — are a reflection of that philosophy. McDaniel said he’s coveted Chubb for years and is thrilled that the trade could happen.

“I feel extremely fortunate to work with a GM such as Chris,” McDaniel said. “I feel very, very fortunate to be in the organization in general, all those things. Like I said, it was one of the overwhelming things when I was interviewing for this place is I could piece it together pretty fast. That there’s a lot of parts of this organization that a lot of head coaches aren’t afforded.

“So it’s awesome. We take it very serious, you know, the direction of the Miami Dolphins organization, and every decision that is made with that in mind. So there’s no such thing as overcommunication. And we wouldn’t allow it to be any other way, except for being 100% on the same page about anything that we’re doing.”



Grier hates the limelight, and when he does periodically speak to reporters — as he did Wednesday, a day after the NFL trade deadline — he is quick to swat away any praise.

But he deserves it. Nearly four years into the team’s rebuild, he has given McDaniel one of the 10 best rosters in the NFL, a group that could make some real noise in the playoffs for the first time in decades.

“I’m just doing a job,” Grier said. “I think we’re just trying to do everything we can. I have great support with Steven Ross and Brandon Shore and Mike and Tom Garfinkel.

“So I think just working through all that and Steve, being willing to listen and trust me to do these things, you know, is unbelievably supportive for me and I appreciate it and won’t forget it,” Grier added. “But I think for us if we want a job I don’t think any of us including myself would be happy unless we ultimately win a Super Bowl which is what every team is trying to do.”


Love it. Great read.
 
Andyahs- sound post. I think Flores batted .250 during his time here.

The one he hit was that he was a good defensive minded coach

The Three that got him....
He brutally missed on the offensive side of the ball
He was a bad communicator and from my understanding not a great "people person"

Doesn't feel like a recipe for success.

You can argue any side of the discrimination lawsuit you want, but from what I have read from players, coaches, assistants , GM, Jason Jenkins (RIP) etc that Ross gives
people a fair shake...

Glad to have the trifecta we have currently.

I apologize.... PHINS UP.
Agree. I think Flores deserves a fair amount of praise for the defense. He delivered on that side of the ball.

But, look at how Tua has emerged with McDaniel. That wasn't going to happen under Flores.

In a league with rules swayed heavily towards the passing game, you've got to have a coach that gets the best out of that position.

We are seeing that across the league with Philadelphia and the New York Giants as other examples.
 
Agree. I think Flores deserves a fair amount of praise for the defense. He delivered on that side of the ball.

But, look at how Tua has emerged with McDaniel. That wasn't going to happen under Flores.

In a league with rules swayed heavily towards the passing game, you've got to have a coach that gets the best out of that position.

We are seeing that across the league with Philadelphia and the New York Giants as other examples.
The QB play on this team this year is so much better than it was under Flores and the 3 at a time OCs. Even the backups here look like they know what they’re supposed to do - although they didn’t win any games so there is that
 
What’s interesting about Flo’s experience here is it looks like so many former BB assistants - McDaniels in Denver, etc. Why do they ALL SUCK ROYAL DONKEY BALLS when they get HC gigs. By comparison, Shula spawned Chuck Noll, Howard Schnenberger, Monte Clarke, Bill Arnsparger. Walsh spawned - ah, never mind we get the point. Why, why, why has not a single BB disciple had success as a HC??!!
Belichick is an a$$hole to practically everyone - he even takes great pride in it (some may even think that it comes with his tough Croatian heritage). Those who succeed in the Belichick system obtain an honors degree in how to become a divisive a$$hole and Brian Flores was a very very good student. When the plethora of underlings (cough Josh McDaniels, cough Matt Patricia, cough Brian Flores, cough Bill O'Brien, cough Joe Judge, cough Romeo Crennel, cough Nick Saban, cough Eric Mangini, etc, etc) leave New England to become NFL head coaches elsewhere, they get exposed to the reality that most people actually work best when they work together because tough, mean, divisiveness can be difficult to overcome. They have to work cohesively with GMs, salary cap gurus and owners and make critical coaching appointments and they have never been exposed to doing any of that. They just automatically revert to what they know works well in Foxboro and that is trying to imitate Bill's a$$hole manner (but they don't have the 8 Super Bowl rings on the resume to permit the distance to get away with it or Tom Brady as their QB). What has succeeded brilliantly in New England is unlikely to succeed elsewhere, unless any future underlings who escape "the cuckoo's nest" have the aptitude and capacity to adapt and learn to treat people with some genuine respect.
 
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The QB play on this team this year is so much better than it was under Flores and the 3 at a time OCs. Even the backups here look like they know what they’re supposed to do - although they didn’t win any games so there is that
McDaniel's play designs definitely help receivers get open. As does the tremendous speed with Hill, Waddle, Mostert etc.

I understand the heavy reliance on the pass
 
What’s interesting about Flo’s experience here is it looks like so many former BB assistants - McDaniels in Denver, etc. Why do they ALL SUCK ROYAL DONKEY BALLS when they get HC gigs. By comparison, Shula spawned Chuck Noll, Howard Schnenberger, Monte Clarke, Bill Arnsparger. Walsh spawned - ah, never mind we get the point. Why, why, why has not a single BB disciple had success as a HC??!!
Noll was the only one with success as a HC in the pros (although it was huge).

Arnsparger had no success as a HC in the pros or college (which pisses me off since if he had stayed as the Dolphins DC, Marino wins a couple of SBs at least).
 
Ross. He's become a hindrance. All the pieces are now in place to succeed in spite of Ross. Anybody giving him credit for what's happening now needs to give their head a wobble and look at what's happened before. 14yrs and zero playoffs. He's 82. I wish him all the best in his retirement. I'm hoping it's sooner than later.
 
Flores... probably a good coordinator. Lousy as a coach or motivator.
Put him upstairs and let him do the Xs and Os stuff, and make sure he doesn't talk to his players.
 
What’s interesting about Flo’s experience here is it looks like so many former BB assistants - McDaniels in Denver, etc. Why do they ALL SUCK ROYAL DONKEY BALLS when they get HC gigs. By comparison, Shula spawned Chuck Noll, Howard Schnenberger, Monte Clarke, Bill Arnsparger. Walsh spawned - ah, never mind we get the point. Why, why, why has not a single BB disciple had success as a HC??!!
Because none of those disciples could bring Tom Brady along with them. Belichick was lucky he stumbled on to Brady or he would have probably failed also. He would have had the reputation of being a great coordinator but a failed head coach.
 
Agree w this 100%. He ran Minkah out of town and now sits in the same meetings and shares the same sideline w him. I find that really funny for some reason
Don’t forget antagonizing stills publicly in TC, creating a situation where stills had to be part of that tunsil trade.
 
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