Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DKphin, Apr 14, 2018.
It's not rocket surgery. Do what your boss asks you to do, (you know like all the rest of us slobs with jobs). At some point players need to be held accountable. I get an annual review and I would guess that the majority of posters here are the same. If a message needs to be sent and nothing else seems to be working you have to wake people up and let them know changes are coming and nobody is considered safe. The rest of the employees will get the message pretty quick. It seems brutal but for some it is the only thing that gets their attention. Once you get buy-in from the ones that are left it makes it easier to establish a culture where any new people brought in understand what is expected of them and that there are NO exceptions to the rules. I guarantee you if Landry had been drafted by the Pats he would have learned his playbook. The established culture on that team would have made sure of that. I doubt the coaches would have even needed to be involved.
MercMan you might be right or just buying the coolaide the front office is selling the fans on their moves. I look at it this way if a coach is unable to coach all of his pro bowl players on his team and a pro bowl player represents the cream of the crop on any NFL squad then that has to tell you something about that coach.
Taking a real life senario like you were using on a job and flipping it around to a classful of students. If a teacher at a high school was unable to instruct their advanced class of students because of some disciplinary issues caused by the students what do you suppose would happen? I think you know the answer, teacher gets fired, teacher leaves to find another career they can do sucessfully or the teacher has to learn how to do their job better. I disagree with ya running a team or your employees through fear of loising their jobs is a sucessful method. No body wants to be part of a organization like that and will jump ship as soon as a opportunity arises.
Your real life scenario also ends up with some students never ever learning no matter who teaches them and students don't get paid millions of dollars to learn.
Do you job or get shipped out.
Your teacher analogy is way off. They never get fired for having poor classroom management. If they did very few teachers would see year two or three. You are right they would get help by surrounding them with a competent team to collaborate with and help them grow. However more often than not, the student(s) are disciplined by the administration or removed from the class. Sound familiar?
Agree in my senario its the teacher not doing their job you have to consider when the sharpest students are failing. Millions of dollars are irrevelant when you can find the same job on another squad for the same amount or more, so using money equation is irrevlent in your post.
Not in this day and age students don't get removed often, but again it's telling when the best students are getting removed not the worst students so I am not buying your argument.
So only you are correct. Got it.
And how do you know the best students - not players - were removed?
I agree with you that running an organization long-term through fear is normally a losing proposition but oddly enough I believe there are cases where it's the only thing that has any impact on certain personality types. What's even more off is that the coaches who actually instill the most fear sometimes get the most respect. Lombardi, Shula, Landry, Bryant, Ditka, just to name a few. were universally respected but they ruled with an iron fist.
So you must think BB can't coach or teach either because he moves on from players like this all the time.
Rocket science or brain surgery?
Armendola, in the most respectful way also referred to BB ad an a**hole.
It’s so funny reading all the comments from guys saying who they know for a fact this team will be terrible this year, like they don’t see how impossible it is to predict what teams will do what every season. They’re just being bitter. Pessimists. We didn’t have our starting QB last year and we only lost a slot receiver, a past his prime center that before he was let go everyone wanted gone (now suddenly we let go of 24 year old pouncey according to them), and a drastically overpaid DT that everyone thought was a bad deal when we got him (and was a philbin pickup who everyone said had no clue how to build a team, oh yeah and Suh led a bad run D when that was supposed to be what we were paying ungodly amounts of cash for him to fix). Don’t forget about how suddenly the same experts everyone shat all over during the season are now being pointed to as the ones speaking the truth about our team when we all know they don’t even pay attention. SMH. I believe we will be in contention for the playoffs and will be more stable and consistent now without the hotheads and penalty magnets.
Well it’s not all on the coaches or teachers, they can teach until there blue in the face but if students or players don’t study there stuff on there own time
In the work environment whether is it is a Supervisor, Head Coach, or GM, if you don't adapt and make the timely necessary changes you will be replaced. Some of the values for my company is move fast and embrace change.
I dont think our young guys are too upset there is alot more cap room available in the future.
When things are not working you need to make changes and changes were made. Were they the right changes? Time will tell but some people want to have it both ways here. We complain if the FO/HC don't change anything and then we complain when they make changes too? At some point you need to let go of your dead weight and go in a new direction. I don't have a crystal ball so I can't tell if this will work or not but it makes no sense to say this team has sucks for so long and then when the team tries to make a change, people complain about that too. Why don't we wait and see what happens next?
First Gase in no way proved he is a BB yet. Second BB does not purge his roster in an offseason. Does he let a let a productive veteran walk sure, many times in a trade or a high compensation pick in the next draft. Plus Bill plans ahead with a replacement players in the wings. It's called reloading not hitting the roster. That first season under Gase he lucks out weak schedule, surprise running back who has 3 NFL record 200 yard rushing games plus as well as additional great performances does not make Gase a great coach just a opportunitunist one. These last 2 seasons remind me of Parcels and Soprano they run out the wildcat go to the playoffs that first year and then poop the bed afterwards
Fair enougb of all those I am familiar only with Shula and Laundry somewhat and it's just my opinion but I would describe their style as desiplined not as a tyrant. Players knew they were going to get a earful and run extra laps but not loose their jobs.
When you are voted to the pro bowl its not just one guys opinion its voted on by a concensus of football players and others in the football community who. Sure it's based on production but also the reputation of that player. To take your comment one step further say you have 4 gifted students in your class that a teacher is struggling to teach, is the class actually better off removing the students with the higher ceiling from the class thus diluting the talent pool just because the teacher is incapable of instructimg them? Or is the class better off finding a instructor who is capable of getting the entire class to grow r thus raising the bar for the entire class.
Not at all, this is not just a issolated incident where we are discussing just one player this is a pattern. Gase has proved nothing yet and his buddy Tbum is a known looser, so I have a hard time buying the coolaide they are selling the fans.
There's a difference between a good player (athlete) and a good student - someone who can learn and FOLLOW WHAT HAS BEEN LEARNED. Landry is a gifted athlete, but, apparently, not a good student. Some here like to think 'good student' means 'can't learn.' It also means 'won't follow instructions'
dude most of the players they let go were cap casualties, not just purging to get rid of players. they're reloading with more affordable players. if you don't like it, that's your prerogative. and in no way does that make you remotely correct.
Nor does it make my point incorrect either the theme of this thread along with many other threads is these guys were not let go because they were just cap casualties but was justified because of their poor additudes and not willing to work hard enough after practice. But that stuff if u like it's your prerogative.
Absolutely that's exactly what Bill did this off-season, but you're spinning your wheels making sense. If it don't fit an anti-gase agenda with some you are wasting your time. I just want to know where in the hell they all were when we made it to the playoffs, oh my yeah that' right they took a leave with all the anti-tannehills during his 7-1 run. Smh
"Apparently" hum, 4 consecutive 1000 yard seasons catching those passes from mediocre to poor QB players, playing on mediocre to poor teams. Hum so the student in this case is killing his ACT and SAT collegiate entrance exams but is considered a poor student because his high school teacher was upset because he was not doing enough homework. Got it.
No,, they were cap casualties.
As I said, "Some here like to think 'bad student' means 'can't learn.' It also means 'won't follow instructions'
Really, well I guess Bill Belichick or Jimmy Johnson forgot to get that memo.
It's a combination of the two that was started a while ago in corporate circles as a bit of a joke, but now I hear it pretty often. In fact, many times I don't think people even know anymore that it's a joke or a hybrid - they just say it like it makes sense. Weird.
You do realize that those 3 NFL record 200 yard rushing games were under Gase's offensive scheme. You get a confused defense and they give up big runs. Pittsburgh and Buffalo were unsettled by our offense in those games. How many 200 yard games has the running back had under a different scheme/different team? How many 100 yard games?
Fair enough if thats what it really is explain that to the other posters implying its an addutude issue. Of course Ajayi is the exception as he was on his rookie contract.
Thats the koolaide Gase is selling keep drinking it. Regardless those excuses are now out the window this season the co as ch has his students now and if they dont win this season 10 wins he needs to find a new job.
And you know this how? Back then, it was tyrants, not 'players coaches'.
Jimmy Johnson did not run the team like that when he was here. Jimmy changed the scheme is all. He focused on the ground game instead of Marino which suddenly rested our defense. Guess what happened we went from the bottom of the barrel defense to a top 10. Jimmy drafted well but he certainly was not threaten ing his players with their jobs like your implying.
Same scheme same runner this year different results. Why teams were prepared this year, just like they were prepared the year after we ran the wildcat successfully and shut it down too. Great coaches change schemes and adjust we do not.
Well I was a fan back then also, read everything I could plus the old Dolphins Digest. Players spoke out in news paper artcles just like they do on Twitter today. Goodnight.
Are you talking about Landry? If so, when did he put 4 consecutive 1000 yds seasons? In real life, Landry doesnt have more 1000 yds seasons than Brian Hartline...