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Miami Dolphins will take note if QB Jaxson Dart's stock rises at Senior Bowl

MARINO1384 said:
He’s not. He was just never a good prospect. He was a project coming out just like Dart is.

These are the guys when everyone is actually watching the tape during football season are 4th/5th rounders.

Offseason comes along, people get qb desperate and start to focus on individual traits while ignoring the actual tape. I’m sure Dart will run well and arm strength will be on display and people will go crazy and he’ll get overdrafted.
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Not to be a wise guy but what did people see that made Tua a no 1 pick? Weak arm, non-athletic, short, small hands, devastating hip injury. I mean sounds like he was way over drafted no?
 
Mr Fan said:
I'm still curious Zach Wilson, unless its what is between the ears, he should be fixable.
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Agreed 100%. Z. Wilson is a low risk, high reward guy you bring in as backup and possible huge asset if he blooms. At the same time, I draft a QB this year in round 3 or beyond.
 
royalshank said:
Not to be a wise guy but what did people see that made Tua a no 1 pick? Weak arm, non-athletic, short, small hands, devastating hip injury. I mean sounds like he was way over drafted no?
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Where do you get the small hand bs? He’s at the 80 percentile for quarterback's with 10 inch hands.
 
I’m on board with Z Wilson as a cheap backup.

He’s started 33 games, Miami’s oline would be an improvement from what he had in NY, spent a year learning under Sean Payton, and he’s still only 25 years old.

Spend the draft pick on another position imo.
 
How well does he absorb hits from pass rushers?
 
royalshank said:
Not to be a wise guy but what did people see that made Tua a no 1 pick? Weak arm, non-athletic, short, small hands, devastating hip injury. I mean sounds like he was way over drafted no?
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You never actually watched Alabama Tua huh?
 
MARINO1384 said:
You never actually watched Alabama Tua huh?
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I don’t watch college ball. I know he came off the bench to win a national title or something. But my question is a serious one - I mean, this Dart kid they say throws to wide open receivers. Wasn’t that true of Bama QBs during that era too? And then the weak arm, lack of mobility etc.
 
royalshank said:
I don’t watch college ball. I know he came off the bench to win a national title or something. But my question is a serious one - I mean, this Dart kid they say throws to wide open receivers. Wasn’t that true of Bama QBs during that era too? And then the weak arm, lack of mobility etc.
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Yeah I can tell.

College Tua was incredibly athletic, he was the #1 dual rated qb heading into college. He lost a great amount of athleticism with that hip injury.

He also lived off the deep ball, his arm was always weak compared to say a Josh Allen but it’s nfl efficient.

Dart has far bigger problems then weak completion and hitting open wideouts. He has awful mechanics, didn’t play in a pro style offnese and doesn’t read the defense or go through progressions well.

Tua is the exact opposite, had solid mechanics, incredible touch and accuracy, read the defense well, fantastic pocket presence, insanely quick release and incredible anticipation. Tua’s tape was fantastic and for the most part it’s translated well into the nfl when he’s been healthy.

His only concerns were durability which were valid. Could that have lead to him being overdrafted due to the severity of the injury? Maybe at 5 but his tape was that good he was always going to be a 1st round pick because he was worth the risk. Prior to hip injury, Tua was a near generational talent prospect. Dude has the best passer rating in college history.

The two are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum. My whole point is go off the tape and not fall in love with certain traits. Almost every analyst had Dart as a 3rd-5th round prospect during the college football season, no that the season is over, he’s rising? How’s that make sense? Well because as the season ends people get away from the tape and fall in love with traits and fall in love with the idea of has maximum potential rather than how the guy actually plays.

Don’t get me wrong Dart could develop into a good qb however he’s a big project who needs 2-3 years to fix his game, if he goes high that comes with expectations and he’ll never get that develop he needs.
 
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MARINO1384 said:
Yeah I can tell.

College Tua was incredibly athletic, he was the #1 dual rated qb heading into college. He lost a great amount of athleticism with that hip injury.

He also lived off the deep ball, his arm was always weak compared to say a Josh Allen but it’s nfl efficient.

Dart has far bigger problems then weak completion and hitting open wideouts. He has awful mechanics, didn’t play in a pro style offnese and doesn’t read the defense or go through progressions well.

Tua is the exact opposite, had solid mechanics, incredible touch and accuracy, read the defense well, fantastic pocket presence, insanely quick release and incredible anticipation. Tua’s tape was fantastic and for the most part it’s translated well into the nfl when he’s been healthy.

His only concerns were durability which were valid. Could that have lead to him being overdrafted due to the severity of the injury? Maybe at 5 but his tape was that good he was always going to be a 1st round pick because he was worth the risk. Prior to hip injury, Tua was a near generational talent prospect. Dude has the best passer rating in college history.

The two are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum. My whole point is go off the tape and not fall in love with certain traits. Almost every analyst had Dart as a 3rd-5th round prospect during the college football season, no that the season is over, he’s rising? How’s that make sense? Well because as the season ends people get away from the tape and fall in love with traits and fall in love with the idea of has maximum potential rather than how the guy actually plays.

Don’t get me wrong Dart could develop into a good qb however he’s a big project who needs 2-3 years to fix his game, if he goes high that comes with expectations and he’ll never get that develop he needs.
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How do you rank the QBs available in this draft?
 
MARINO1384 said:
Yeah I can tell.

College Tua was incredibly athletic, he was the #1 dual rated qb heading into college. He lost a great amount of athleticism with that hip injury.

He also lived off the deep ball, his arm was always weak compared to say a Josh Allen but it’s nfl efficient.

Dart has far bigger problems then weak completion and hitting open wideouts. He has awful mechanics, didn’t play in a pro style offnese and doesn’t read the defense or go through progressions well.

Tua is the exact opposite, had solid mechanics, incredible touch and accuracy, read the defense well, fantastic pocket presence, insanely quick release and incredible anticipation. Tua’s tape was fantastic and for the most part it’s translated well into the nfl when he’s been healthy.

His only concerns were durability which were valid. Could that have lead to him being overdrafted due to the severity of the injury? Maybe at 5 but his tape was that good he was always going to be a 1st round pick because he was worth the risk. Prior to hip injury, Tua was a near generational talent prospect. Dude has the best passer rating in college history.

The two are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum. My whole point is go off the tape and not fall in love with certain traits. Almost every analyst had Dart as a 3rd-5th round prospect during the college football season, no that the season is over, he’s rising? How’s that make sense? Well because as the season ends people get away from the tape and fall in love with traits and fall in love with the idea of has maximum potential rather than how the guy actually plays.

Don’t get me wrong Dart could develop into a good qb however he’s a big project who needs 2-3 years to fix his game, if he goes high that comes with expectations and he’ll never get that develop he needs.
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Good stuff. I wish I could invest the time watching college ball but I could never make it work. Therefore I know squat about any players coming out. When we drafted Eddie Moore he could have been Lawrence Taylor to me. 🤷
 
MARINO1384 said:
Yeah I can tell.

College Tua was incredibly athletic, he was the #1 dual rated qb heading into college. He lost a great amount of athleticism with that hip injury.

He also lived off the deep ball, his arm was always weak compared to say a Josh Allen but it’s nfl efficient.

Dart has far bigger problems then weak completion and hitting open wideouts. He has awful mechanics, didn’t play in a pro style offnese and doesn’t read the defense or go through progressions well.

Tua is the exact opposite, had solid mechanics, incredible touch and accuracy, read the defense well, fantastic pocket presence, insanely quick release and incredible anticipation. Tua’s tape was fantastic and for the most part it’s translated well into the nfl when he’s been healthy.

His only concerns were durability which were valid. Could that have lead to him being overdrafted due to the severity of the injury? Maybe at 5 but his tape was that good he was always going to be a 1st round pick because he was worth the risk. Prior to hip injury, Tua was a near generational talent prospect. Dude has the best passer rating in college history.

The two are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum. My whole point is go off the tape and not fall in love with certain traits. Almost every analyst had Dart as a 3rd-5th round prospect during the college football season, no that the season is over, he’s rising? How’s that make sense? Well because as the season ends people get away from the tape and fall in love with traits and fall in love with the idea of has maximum potential rather than how the guy actually plays.

Don’t get me wrong Dart could develop into a good qb however he’s a big project who needs 2-3 years to fix his game, if he goes high that comes with expectations and he’ll never get that develop he needs.
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Again, I disagree about your statements regarding dart. He was considered a Heisman trophy candidate for most of the year. Many scouts have him ranked as the third best QB in the draft. 5th round predictions are way off.

I feel like you have some sort of grudge against this kid for some unknown reason.
 
Phinslife said:
Resign Huntley as our vet and put him 3rd on the depth chart. If the rookie doesn't seem ready then put Huntley at 2. I believe Dart can be like Roethlisberger.
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Roethlisberger was 6'5'' and 240lbs and one of the best ever at staying on his feet and shrugging off defenders. Dart is 6'2''. Unless you're just talking about immediate, rookie success? When you say Dart is like Roethlisberger, not sure where you're seeing similarities.

Also, if Miami is a serious team, Huntley will be battling it out for the 3rd spot with a rookie and they will sign a clear cut #2 that can play 6 games and win 4 and keep the offense moving...anything less is a failure
 
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