King Felix
live it up have no worries
ichiro? no way is he a lock right now....he doesnt even have 2,000 hits yet if im not mistaken....plus he is in his 30's nowBarry Bonds
Ichiro
ichiro? no way is he a lock right now....he doesnt even have 2,000 hits yet if im not mistaken....plus he is in his 30's nowBarry Bonds
Ichiro
I'll give it a try.
Honus Wagner
Ernie Banks
Alex Rodriguez
Barry Larkin
Miguel Tejada
Those five I consider better.
I have a hard time trying to put Ozzie Smith or anybody else anywhere in his league...so I would say..that he is the clear cut 6th best shortstop in MLB history.
I worded that wrong, i meant Top 3, i think he is the 4-5th best. Which is DEFFINETLY HOF material, which i said i think he was about 3 times now. I think he is overrated because people say he is the best of all time, which i don't agree with. I think his ironman streak makes him overrated, yes it was a GREAT accomplishment, but i think it gives makes him look like a better player then he was.
Name five shortstops better than Ripken. I'll give you Honus Wagner for free.
my point is that you cant be a borderline HOFer and be a 1st Ballot HOFer w/highest % for position player also
I would have to disagree.. Cal won ROY, 2 MVP's, 2 Gold Gloves(could have had more), 8 Silver Sluggers, 19 All-Star Teams.. He was an underrated defender.. Certainly one of the top 3 SS of all-time..
I said if you take away the streak he was bordlerine. Since you can't take away the streak its part of it all, he is a lock 1st ballot hall of famer!!!! :shakeno: :shakeno:
Okay....I am not crapping on Ripken...BUT.
Explain to me why Larkin isn't as good as Ripken or for that matter..better?
As for Tejada..Miguel Tejada will bury Ripkens numbers by far by the time he is done.
Although A-Rod will eventually be considered a 3rd baseman.
Seriously..try to make an arguement that Ripken was ever as good or even close to as good as Miguel Tejada is right now.
And I keep saying without the streak he was going to be a sure-fire HoF based on how he revolutionized the SS position for his size, and hitting prowess! :shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno:
(this is fun - but can we agree to disagree?)
Okay....I am not crapping on Ripken...BUT.
Explain to me why Larkin isn't as good as Ripken or for that matter..better?
As for Tejada..Miguel Tejada will bury Ripkens numbers by far by the time he is done.
Although A-Rod will eventually be considered a 3rd baseman.
Seriously..try to make an arguement that Ripken was ever as good or even close to as good as Miguel Tejada is right now.
Ripken = 2 MVPs, 1 ROY, 19 All-star games
Tejada, Larkin, Jeter = 2 MVP's, 1 ROY, 23 All-star games
Do you honestly believe that Ripken is a better player than Tejada, Jeter, and Larkin?
The argument you just made is like saying that Steve Nash is better than Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Charles Barkley.
Larkin, yes barely, he did it for longer...
Jeter right now certainly, he paved the way for players like Jeter
Tejada, yes many players have had monster years but haven't been able to put it together for the whole career.. Tejada could have very well be steroid aided..
SS is very different now with the new age (jeter, tejada, Arod, nomar) SS looking very much more dominant than the ones before them.. Cal was no doubt the best SS of the 80's and 90's with Barry Larkin as a close 2nd..
As for Cal not having 500 HR's only now does that not look as impressive.. The man consistently hit 20 HR a season which at the time was mighty impressive.. Arky Vaughn had 96 HR, he couldn't even get to 100... Things change... He has has 473 HR compared to 411 to the other 3 best SS of the era in Larkin, Trammell and Smith...