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Joe Philbin and his coordinators assuredly wanted to move on Monday, like any coach would after a gut-wrenching loss and another dangerous opponent looming in Chicago.
But Philbin, offensive coordinator Bill Lazor and defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle patiently answered lingering questions that that begged answers regarding several strategic decisions that backfired in Sunday’s 27-24 loss to Green Bay.
Such as:
### Philbin indicated that he told his coordinators he wanted to try to get a first down if the Dolphins were nursing a lead late. So why did they run on a third and 9 and 3:01 left after an incomplete pass on the previous play? (Lamar Miller gained one yard on the play.
Philbin said he told Lazor to run the ball on that third down play.
Why? Philbin said “we had pressure and we had some free runners” on the previous incomplete pass player.
He said “I didn’t want to see us fumble the football or do something potentially devastating, like Buffalo when we fumbled the ball.” Philbin was referring to the game last October where Tannehill fumbled on a sack at the Miami 24 with the Dolphins preserving a lead and 2:48 left. The Bills then kicked a field goal to win the game.
“I told Bill to run the ball on third down,” Philbin said. “I got a little queasy to run the ball. So we punted the ball.”
How often does Philbin tell Lazor what play to run? “Not a ton,” Philbin said.
### Why did defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle have Phillip Wheeler alone on coverage on tight end Andrew Quarless on Aaron Rodgers’ game winning four yard touchdown pass with three second left?
“If you know their history, their too main targets in the red zone are [Jordy] Nelson and [Randall] Cobb,” Coyle said. “They had been in that formation only twice, and both times they tried to throw the ball to inside receivers both earlier in the season. It was a difficult spot for Philip to be in. Great player [Rodgers] made a great play. We had been in that defense a couple times in the game. One time we got a sack, one time we got great pressure. We all can question it.”
So why not use Jelani Jenkins or Koa Misi on Quarless in that sequence?
Philbin said Misi “wasn’t ready to go at that particular point. Sometimes, linebackers cover tight ends in coverage.”
Coyle said if Misi had been available, “it might have been Jelani and not Misi” in coverage.
But why Wheeler instead of Jenkins on Quarless? “That was the call,” Philbin said. “We have to do better. It was a coverage we know, coverage we practice, something we believe in. It’s easy to say that play cost us the game. There were a lot of plays prior to that one that could have changed the outcome of the game.”
Wheeler said he didn’t practice that all week, and Philbin said he didn’t know what Wheeler meant by that and didn’t know if that’s true.
“I can’t say we ran that play in practice, but our linebackers cover tight ends in practice a lot,” he said.
Coyle confirmed Wheeler’s account. “He didn’t practice it because they hadn’t run it,” Coyle said. “You don’t start creating plays you don’t anticipate happening. Has he been in that situation in some other point in time in camp or one on one drills. Yeah, but that doesn’t mean he was working on that play during the course of the week. You only have so many snaps in a week to practice. You don’t start inventing things.”
### What did Coyle think about Wheeler criticizing the coaching?
He didn’t directly answer. “I wish we were successful on the call. We weren’t. You always after a game like that, there are a number of calls I say I wish I did this or did that.
### Should Wheeler have lined up closer to Quarless on that play?
“When you line up real tight, they will throw it over the top of you,” Coyle said. “That’s not a position linebackers are accustomed to on tight press. His alignment was OK. The cardinal rule on anybody in coverage is don’t get pushed into the end zone. He ran a difficult route. He is throwing the ball before the ball is even stopped.”
### Why call a timeout before Green Bay’s winning touchdown?
“It certainly didn’t turn out to be the right decision,” Philbin said. “But it’s something I’ve done in the past and something I’ll continue to think about doing in the future….I’m not sitting here saying it’s a great decision by Joe Philbin.”
But he said “it’s well worth it” if it results in a single thing helpful to the defense.
Coyle said the timeouts “were good decisions – gave us a chance to anticipate formations, gave our rush guys a chance to catch a little bit of a blow. Made sure everyone was on the same page to get everything communicated well.”
### Were the Dolphins prepared for Rodgers’ fake spike that resulted in a 12-yard completion with six seconds left?
“We cover that in training camp and practice,” Philbin said. “We’re not in control of play calls for them. It’s something we expose our players to.”
Coyle said “it wasn’t so much the fake spike cost us the game…. We need to tackle him and get him on the ground and the game is over.”
But was Finnegan supposed to be that far off on Davante Adams on that play? “I don’t remember how deep he was but he could have been a little closer,” Philbin said, adding that Dolphins’ defensive backs were sometimes “a little too deep.”
Overall, Philbin took some accountability: “I have to do a better job, first and foremost. I’m the head coach. We need to do better.”
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What I'm wondering is, did Philip Wheeler even try to defend the TE on that play? It didn't look like he gave it his all. Jenkins should have been in there as a coverage LB anyway.
 
philip wheeler allowed the one thing he cant on that play...to lose physically and be moved off the spot for the quick back shoulder...thats all on philip wheeler...misi would not have been a better option jenkins would be a better fit but i guarantee quarless would have tried to get into his body also and create space for the quick back shoulder...the pack was playing that for 2 plays in 6 seconds...a quick back shoulder and if not another play off the incompletion...miami had everyone else covered perfectly...they picked the best option and went with the quick route off of it to ensure another play if it failed

wheeler was terrible to allow that there...not as bad as finnegan the play prior...but at least finny isnt making excuses to my knowledge
 
Once again, “I have to do a better job, first and foremost. I’m the head coach. We need to do better.”

The weekly apology tour has started..
 
Ah, the curse of coaching scared. It seems to happen to every coach we have. Sparano wasn't the spineless game day coach initially, but he morphed into one based on past disasters. Philbin has fallen into the same trap.

He said “I didn’t want to see us fumble the football or do something potentially devastating, like Buffalo when we fumbled the ball.” Philbin was referring to the game last October where Ryan Tannehill fumbled on a sack at the Miami 44 with the Dolphins preserving a lead and 2:48 left. The Bills recovered the fumble, then later kicked a field goal to win the game.

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But why Wheeler instead of Jenkins on Quarless? “That was the call,” Philbin said. “We have to do better. It was a coverage we know, coverage we practice, something we believe in. It’s easy to say that play cost us the game. There were a lot of plays prior to that one that could have changed the outcome of the game.”

Wheeler said he didn’t practice that all week, and Philbin said he didn’t know what Wheeler meant by that and didn’t know if that’s true.

“I can’t say we ran that play in practice, but our linebackers cover tight ends in practice a lot,” he said.

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Oh jeez, the wheels are coming off. The coaches don't even know what the players are doing during practice. Here is a clue for Coyle, don't put Wheeler out there AT ALL with the game on the line.
 
theres no reason that philbin should be worrying about last years bills situation there...he basically just said he doesnt have faith in this team not to screw it up...indictment on a lot of guys...and hard for players to rally around knowing that now...

he doesnt have the same horrible tackles he had last year either and the prior play pressure maybe the d did have us in a bad look that's why you come out the next play in something else...oh well 11 more games
 
SpurzN703 said:
I'm betting no matter what he said, literally anything else, you'd say the same thing you just did.
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Keep defending Joe…have at it.

I am also tired of the "I got to do a better job of getting us off to a better start" crap. NOTHING he does ever works. Just a bad HC.
 
Ok so Philbin calls an f'n TO to setup the defense and doesn't even get it set up right?
 
gafin said:
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Philbin said he told Lazor to run the ball on that third down play.
Why? Philbin said “we had pressure and we had some free runners” on the previous incomplete pass player.
He said “I didn’t want to see us fumble the football or do something potentially devastating, like Buffalo when we fumbled the ball.” Philbin was referring to the game last October where Tannehill fumbled on a sack at the Miami 24 with the Dolphins preserving a lead and 2:48 left. The Bills then kicked a field goal to win the game.
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In other words, the offense is completely handicapped by Ryan Tannehill and his ability is very limiting to what we can do offensively. His play puts us in circumstances where we make calls we would not ordinarily make. Things that Tannehill has done in the past make us very weary about trying to threaten the field because something horrible could happen.

That would have been the best answer. It is pretty much what he stated while being politically correct about it.

Hennehill is a huge liability.
 
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