NBA FINALS THREAD: Miami Heat vs. Dallas Mavericks

[icephinfan]

i was gonna end it there bu i cant cause i have 666 posts....thats bad luck

Only if it was 999.

 

[Fresh]

I am not indicting Wade's ability, simply pointing out that in clinching games his numbers have been below his season average. It has happened 3 times in a row in the Eastern Conference Championships. Simply a fact.

We've never seen a healthy Dwyane Wade in a Game 7. Never.

But I've seen Dwyane Wade in the clutch many times, and he's always been spectacular outside of a regular season game against the CHARLOTTE BOBCATS in 2004-2005.

 

[icephinfan]

We've never seen a healthy Dwyane Wade in a Game 7. Never.

But I've seen Dwyane Wade in the clutch many times, and he's never screwed it up outside of a regular season game against the CHARLOTTE BOBCATS in 2004-2005.

Off topic: Love the avatar..

 

[Alex44]

We've never seen a healthy Dwyane Wade in a Game 7. Never.

But I've seen Dwyane Wade in the clutch many times, and he's never screwed it up outside of a regular season game against the CHARLOTTE BOBCATS in 2004-2005.

We have seen Dwyane Wade beat the Hornets in his rookie year in the playoffs :yes:

Wade is clutch and Its dumb for anyone to deny he would elevate his game for a game 7

 

[phinman1]

We've never seen a healthy Dwyane Wade in a Game 7. Never.

But I've seen Dwyane Wade in the clutch many times, and he's never screwed it up outside of a regular season game against the CHARLOTTE BOBCATS in 2004-2005.

Never healthy in game 7...could it be he is afraid? That he finds excuses because he can't handle the moment and the....just kidding.:tongue:

 

[Alex44]

Never healthy in game 7...could it be he is afraid? That he finds excuses because he can't handle the moment and the....just kidding.:tongue:

You had me about ready to explode

 

[Muck]

I was simply rebutting conjecture with fact. FinNasty insinuated that in a game 7 ( a series clincher) of the Finals, Wade would be unstoppable. I merely pointed out that in clinching games, particularly in the last two Eastern Conference Finals, Wade has been unspectacular for whatever reason.

Here's Wade in clinching games

From NBA.com

Game 7 - 2004 First Round vs. New Orleans

12 pts, 7 ast, 4 rebs, 2 stl

Game 6 - 2004 Confrerence Semi-Finals vs. Indiana
(shot 63%, unstoppable, Van Gundy inexplicably took him out on the final shot)

24 pts, 2 ast, 2 rebs, 3 stl, 2 blk

Game 4 - 2005 First Round
(shot 65%)

Dwyane Wade had 34 points and nine assists as the Heat completed the first four-game sweep in franchise history with a 110-97 victory over the undermanned Nets.

Nicknamed "Flash" by superstar teammate Shaquille O'Neal, Wade was simply unstoppable throughout the series. He averaged 26.4 points, 8.8 assists and 6.3 rebounds while shooting 50 percent from the field.

Game 4 - 2005 Conference Semi-Finals
(shot 59%)

Wade scored a franchise playoff-record 42 points and Jones nailed a go-ahead 3-pointer with 14.9 seconds left as the Miami Heat - again without Shaquille O'Neal - avoided a fourth-quarter collapse and completed a four-game Eastern Conference semifinal sweep of the Washington Wizards with a 99-95 triumph.

Game 7 - 2005 Conference Finals

Wade, who missed all of Game Six with a rib injury, made the start for the top-seeded Heat and was a factor in the second half as Miami led, 74-68, with 6 1/2 minutes left.

Wade had the AmericanAirlines Arena rocking in the third quarter, making 5-of-6 shots and scoring 12 of his 20 points in the period.

Game 6 - 2006 1st Round

23 pts, 6 ast, 3 rebs, 1 stl. 58%

Game 5 - 2006 Conference Semi-Finals

21 pts, 6 ast, 6 rebs, 1 blk, 1 stl

He obviously doesn't show up in clinchers. :)

 

[Fresh]

In Game 6, he went 14-10-4 with a block and a steal. And he was UNGUARDABLE late in the 3rd putting the game away. Absolute MONEY. Not bad for a guy still suffering from the flu.

Exactly. At one point in the third, Detroit had the lead down to 7. Wade took the game over single-handedly in the third quarter (especially the end) and I believe he had us up 18 going into the 4th. From that point on, he didn't have much more to do so we didn't need the 4th quarter heroics. The guy was hospitalized five hours before the tip off, and was completely unstoppable in the third quarter to give the team our biggest lead of the series.

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

so wait a minute...was that Rasheed under that rug?

:hmmm:

 

[Alex44]

so wait a minute...was that Rasheed under that rug?

:hmmm:

Nah not even his ego would fit under that thing

Im curious what was under there though

 

[phinman1]

Here's Wade in clinching games

From NBA.com

Game 7 - 2004 First Round vs. New Orleans


Game 6 - 2004 Confrerence Semi-Finals
(shot 63%, Van Gundy inexplicably took him out)


Game 4 - 2005 First Round vs. Indiana
(shot 65%)


Game 4 - 2005 Conference Semi-Finals
(shot 59%)


Game 7 - 2005 Conference Finals


Game 6 - 2006 1st Round


Game 5 - 2006 Conference Semi-Finals


He obviously doesn't show up in clinchers. :)

Nice research, but I was thinking a little bigger. Thinking of the series' that make legends, that being Conference Finals and the Finals. Again, FinNasty was referring to Wade dominating Game 7 OF THE FINALS, I responded by showing that in true pressure packed, championship clinching games he has played below his standards. If anything, the synopsis you have provided shows that.

 

[Alex44]

Nice research, but I was thinking a little bigger. Thinking of the series' that make legends, that being Conference Finals and the Finals. Again, FinNasty was referring to Wade dominating Game 7 OF THE FINALS, I responded by showing that in true pressure packed, championship games he has played below his standards. If anything, the synopsis you have provided shows that.

It doesnt matter if you score 45 points in the first half if you dont show up for the second

I'll take the guy that scores 25 at the right times, he has never been HEALTHY for one of those games, and the ones where he was healthy he did an excellent job

You cant see how well a guy played with just stats, look at how well he shot the ball in those games (shooting %)

 

[FinNasty]

Nice research, but I was thinking a little bigger. Thinking of the series' that make legends, that being Conference Finals and the Finals. Again, FinNasty was referring to Wade dominating Game 7 OF THE FINALS, I responded by showing that in true pressure packed, championship clinching games he has played below his standards. If anything, the synopsis you have provided shows that.

First of all... my response was one to counter MindWarp saying that Dirk would dominate Game 7 of the Finals... and when has Dirk dominated a Game 7 of the Finals?

2nd of all, Wade plays above his standards in big games. Especially at the end of games. I'm really not going to argue this with you... because it is like talking to a wall. You will never be convinced that Wade is clutch, or one of the best in the league... because your Heat hatred is basiclly the opposite of homerism...

Everyone... not just Heat fans... realize this. Its ok... you will be forced to believe soon enough...

BTW... So whats our bet going to be?

 

[Muck]

Nice research, but I was thinking a little bigger. Thinking of the series' that make legends, that being Conference Finals and the Finals. Again, FinNasty was referring to Wade dominating Game 7 OF THE FINALS, I responded by showing that in true pressure packed, championship games he has played below his standards. If anything, the synopsis you have provided shows that.

But you said "in clinching games". I can't be expected to read your mind. :)

Still, how many "pressure packed, championship" games has Dwyane Wade played in?? One. With a muscle torn off the bone. And he dominated the 3rd quarter.

I just think it's kinda weak to indict a guy for not being a "championship" player when he hasn't had the opportunity. He's proven plenty of other times that he's a money man.

 

[phinman1]

It doesnt matter if you score 45 points in the first half if you dont show up for the second

I'll take the guy that scores 25 at the right times, he has never been HEALTHY for one of those games, and the ones where he was healthy he did an excellent job

You cant see how well a guy played with just stats, look at how well he shot the ball in those games (shooting %)

My whole point on Wade comes down to this: alot of you are basically annointing him a Kobe or even Jordan like performer in the clutch. Those two have done it consistently on the biggest basketball stage in the world, the NBA Finals, over and over again. Wade has not done it once, and beyond that, hasn't been spectacular in games that clinch Conference Championships. I'm not really slamming Wade, just saying hold off a bit on the greatness tag, because he hasn't really done anything yet.