New NFL Domestic Violence Policy

[truedolfan57]

a man may have a right to make a living. nothing says they have the right to work for the same employee. Each employee has the right to hire or fire anyone they want, as long as it's not illegal or based on race, sex, sexual orientation, etc.

 

[gafin]

League isn't saying if Ray Rice would be second time offender or not with another incident:

With the NFL introducing a new domestic violence policy that includes the possibility of a lifetime ban for a second offense, an obvious question arises regarding Ravens running back Ray Rice.

Does Rice’s first offense, which was handled so badly that the NFL had to tear up the entire policy, count as a “first offense” under the new policy, putting him in line for the far more serious penalties that apply to a second offense?

Via Clifton Brown of CSNBaltimore.com, the league has declined to respond to that question.

“We are not going to address that,” an NFL spokesman told Brown. “Each case will be addressed individually on its merits.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...her-ray-rice-would-be-a-second-time-offender/

 

[russianbear]

Most jobs never know if an employee got arrested for domestic violence unless it results in prison time, which it rarely does. If Ray Rice worked at Wal-Mart his employer would have never learned about what happened.

most jobs don't perform simple background checks? and the point is, Ray Rice doesn't work at Wal-Mart. He works in the NFL, making millions a year, and is in a position of influence. Whether or not I agree with the enhanced punishment, the NFL has all the right in the world to put it in effect.

 

[gregorygrant83]

most jobs don't perform simple background checks? and the point is, Ray Rice doesn't work at Wal-Mart. He works in the NFL, making millions a year, and is in a position of influence. Whether or not I agree with the enhanced punishment, the NFL has all the right in the world to put it in effect.

My post was concerning a post that said most people lose there jobs if they get arrested... which they don't. And few employees do background checks on existing employees.

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

I can't and won't defend domestic abusers, but a lifetime ban seems a bit excessive.

Men have a right to make a living.

I worked in the defense industry prior to moving to San Diego and have for the most part been able to earn an extremely lucrative income for most of my career (not quite as lucrative as the NFL but better than most).

Part of the deal in exchange for that earning potential is that I maintained a certain level security clearance. Were I to get arrested and lose said clearance (and it would take far less than beating the living **** out of a woman one third my size to lose my clearance), then I would also lose that earning potential. I'm sure I could go get a job at McDonald's or something else to earn a living, but the ramifications of my actions were made very clear the first time I received a clearance.

While I agree that any would be violator of this new policy has a right to earn a living, earning a living in the NFL is not a right its a privilege, just like if I were to lose my clearance (when I actually worked in that industry), or a doctor violates the terms of his medical license and gets it revoked and can no longer practice medicine (happened to a family member of mine).

And no, even in the most heated argument I'm sorry there is NEVER ONE SINGLE ****ING REASON WHY ANY MAN, LET ALONE A GENETIC FREAK/NFL PLAYER SHOULD EVER EVER EVER EVER BEAT A WOMAN.

So, if and when this happens to somebody, I will have absolutely zero sympathy for them.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Digital and hoops immediately bring up something that I totally overlooked.

You might have a point there about the blackmail angle.

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

Digital and hoops immediately bring up something that I totally overlooked.

You might have a point there about the blackmail angle.

That is very true, I think before handing out a lifetime ban then the NFL would have to be pretty certain of the offender's guilt. In the case of Ray Rice, I'd say it would be a pretty easy decision, in the case of somebody else maybe not so easy to decipher.

 

[gregorygrant83]

Digital and hoops immediately bring up something that I totally overlooked.

You might have a point there about the blackmail angle.

In a situation like the Pouncey's faced this summer, how many players will simply pay the guy to be quiet instead of taking their chances with the legal system or NFL?

 

[jfleag61]

How did I know that there would be people on here saying "well what if a guy shoves his wife / girlfriend during an argument?".....really? I really don't know how many of these women are bigger than an NFL player..well, other than maybe a kicker...unless your life is in danger, just walk away. And don't give me the " maybe she deserved it" crap.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

In a situation like the Pouncey's faced this summer, how many players will simply pay the guy to be quiet instead of taking their chances with the legal system or NFL?

You'd be an idiot not to.

 

[Mike13]

I can't and won't defend domestic abusers, but a lifetime ban seems a bit excessive.

Men have a right to make a living. As much as I despise Michael Vick, he did his time, was punished by a court of law, and deserved the chance to support himself and his family in his chosen profession. If Ray Rice gets into another fight with his wife...

Then he'll be banned for life for being a ****ty human being.

 

[gregorygrant83]

I think it's key that all assaults are a violations, not just domestic violence and not just against women.

 

[Dolphin North]

This has been needed for a long time.

I agree.
They may run out of players for goodness sake, but I agree.

 

[twix2500]

I have no problem with the fine but I may have a problem with when they give the fine. Don't paint every situation the same. There is a difference between an abuser and incidents. Big difference and iv seen it first hand. Let the law short it out first.

Sorry jfleag it's totally irresponsible and irrational to connect a push or a shove to an abuse. Getting into a fight with a woman do not make you an abuser, a lot of those situations is not a simple walk away. If you think it is that simple with some woman then you never been in that situation to even speak on it. I never hit on a woman but I have been in situation where I had to grab restrain and push a woman to try and run away. An ex when I was 19 punch me in the face unexpectedly when I broke up with her, and once she seen I didn't fight back she went punching and scratching telling me I better not leave her. I had to restrain her and push her to the bed just get a head start run to the door.

Iv seen a friend fiancé stab him because he was talking crap and she still having built up anger from him cheating. I had to restrain her and calm her down. They went on to forgive and got married.

I hope you guys know ray rice wife was arrested that night. There were rumors at the time that customers who seen the start of the incident, saying she was attacking him in the casino. If she got arrested after being knocked out there a good chance she was the aggressor and the one doing the assault. Yes both made bad mistakes but all scuffles between a man and woman is horrible, but it is no way equivalent to situation where a man is an abuser.

Even thou Ray Rice made a horrible mistake, I respect that instead of trying to convince you guys that he may have not done what you think of him, he kept it private by accepting blame for whatever you claim of him and moved on. Because he does not owe you to prove you nothing, he only owes his wife and family and the law the truth. Sorry for what you all had to witness, now he works out the truth in private.

He could of put his career first but chose his wife first. Not all of us have the guts to do that. Some of you and not most of you would left your wife and running to the fans to tell your side of the story for fans approval.

I know this is not going to change some of your minds because you look at things black and white. But iv seen much to know it's not, iv seen false rape accusations first hand because her boyfriend found out she slept with his homeboy. Be very careful because one day you may be put in that position that paint u in a bad light.

 

[GoonBoss]

Why not lifetime ban them the first time?

What? It's ok to hit a girl the first time?